Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Election 2008
C-Span sucks community > politics > Political Soapbox
Pages: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 350, 351, 352, 353, 354, 355, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368, 369, 370, 371, 372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 377, 378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 384, 385, 386, 387, 388, 389, 390, 391, 392, 393, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399, 400, 401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 407, 408, 409, 410, 411, 412, 413, 414, 415, 416, 417, 418, 419, 420, 421, 422, 423, 424, 425, 426, 427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 432, 433, 434, 435, 436, 437, 438, 439, 440, 441, 442, 443, 444, 445, 446, 447, 448, 449, 450, 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, 456, 457, 458, 459, 460, 461, 462, 463, 464, 465, 466, 467, 468, 469, 470, 471, 472, 473, 474, 475, 476, 477, 478, 479, 480, 481, 482, 483, 484, 485, 486, 487, 488, 489, 490, 491, 492, 493, 494, 495, 496, 497, 498, 499, 500, 501, 502, 503, 504, 505, 506, 507, 508, 509, 510, 511, 512, 513, 514, 515, 516, 517, 518, 519, 520, 521, 522, 523, 524, 525, 526, 527, 528, 529, 530, 531, 532, 533, 534, 535, 536, 537, 538, 539, 540, 541, 542, 543, 544, 545, 546, 547, 548, 549, 550, 551, 552, 553, 554, 555, 556, 557, 558, 559, 560, 561, 562, 563, 564, 565, 566, 567, 568, 569, 570, 571, 572, 573, 574, 575, 576, 577, 578, 579, 580, 581, 582, 583, 584, 585, 586, 587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592, 593, 594, 595, 596, 597, 598, 599, 600, 601, 602, 603, 604, 605, 606, 607, 608, 609, 610, 611, 612, 613, 614, 615, 616, 617, 618, 619, 620, 621, 622, 623, 624, 625, 626, 627, 628, 629, 630, 631, 632, 633, 634, 635, 636, 637, 638, 639, 640, 641, 642, 643, 644, 645, 646, 647, 648, 649, 650, 651, 652, 653, 654, 655, 656, 657, 658, 659, 660, 661, 662, 663, 664, 665, 666, 667, 668, 669, 670, 671, 672, 673, 674, 675, 676, 677, 678, 679, 680, 681, 682, 683, 684, 685, 686, 687, 688, 689, 690, 691, 692, 693, 694, 695, 696, 697, 698, 699, 700, 701, 702, 703, 704, 705, 706, 707, 708, 709, 710, 711, 712, 713, 714, 715, 716, 717, 718, 719, 720, 721, 722, 723, 724, 725, 726, 727, 728, 729, 730, 731, 732, 733, 734, 735, 736, 737, 738, 739, 740, 741, 742, 743, 744, 745, 746, 747, 748, 749, 750, 751, 752, 753, 754, 755, 756, 757, 758, 759, 760, 761, 762, 763, 764, 765, 766, 767, 768, 769, 770, 771, 772, 773, 774, 775, 776, 777, 778, 779, 780, 781, 782, 783, 784, 785, 786, 787, 788, 789, 790, 791, 792, 793, 794, 795, 796, 797, 798, 799, 800, 801, 802, 803, 804, 805, 806, 807, 808, 809, 810, 811, 812, 813, 814, 815, 816, 817, 818, 819, 820, 821, 822, 823, 824, 825, 826, 827, 828, 829, 830, 831, 832, 833, 834, 835, 836, 837, 838, 839, 840, 841, 842, 843, 844, 845, 846, 847, 848, 849, 850, 851, 852, 853, 854, 855, 856, 857, 858, 859, 860, 861, 862, 863, 864, 865, 866, 867, 868, 869, 870, 871, 872, 873
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Sep 7 2007, 01:54 PM) [snapback]326803[/snapback]

Hope it sticks.

Anyone told innocent that its sig line is too long yet?

I turned off the sig lines on my browser. It was wearing out my scrolie mousie.
Nomarchy
QUOTE(underhi2p @ Sep 7 2007, 05:23 AM) [snapback]326726[/snapback]

"Strong religious beliefs" would be "someone" who "believes" in God.

It's "subjective", hence, a "difficult" subject for "someone" who doesn't possess "strong religious beliefs".

Usually, this "person" would "display" their "strong religious beliefs" by going to "church", "temple" "synagogue", etc. in a daily or weekly "pattern".

"Strong religious beliefs" are obviously a "trait" the "voting public" indicates is a characteristic that a "candidate" for "public" office should possess. Hence, the strong marketing campaigns of such "strong" candidates such as Baby Jesus Obama, The Shills, Mikey Huckabee, Sammy Brownback and most "others" to show that this candidate possesses "strong religious beliefs".

Lil' Wad possesses "strong religious beliefs".


First, fark off and die with the multiple useless quotation marks, you farking worthless C. U. N. T..

Secondly, the fact (?) that Romney goes to church a lot doesn't mean that he has strong religious beliefs. His actions, what he does, what he says, how he behaves are generally thought to be better indications of the strength and quality and content of one's belief compared to how often one participates in a ritual.

In short, and to cut through the crap, those surveyed who identified Romney, among others, as a candidate with strong religious beliefs are farking morons.
Innocent
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Sep 7 2007, 02:54 PM) [snapback]326803[/snapback]

Anyone told innocent that its sig line is too long yet?


Better?


QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 7 2007, 02:57 PM) [snapback]326804[/snapback]

I turned off the sig lines on my browser. It was wearing out my scrolie mousie.


You can turn it back on.

smile.gif
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Innocent @ Sep 7 2007, 09:46 PM) [snapback]326944[/snapback]

Better?
You can turn it back on.

smile.gif

It wasn't you in particular.
Innocent
Religion not clear-cut issue in White House race

QUOTE
The Pew Forum survey also found that U.S. presidential candidates need not be seen as very religious to gain wide voter acceptance, noting that the Democratic and Republican front-runners -- Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani -- are viewed as the least religious among the top contenders.

The poll, conducted nationwide among 3,002 adults from August 1 to 18, found that the Iraq war and domestic issues such as the economy top the list of voter priorities.

"Hot-button" social issues such as abortion and gay marriage are way down the list -- except among white evangelical Protestants, 56 percent of whom said they were very important concerns in their presidential voting decisions.

- Hillary Clinton is only regarded as very religious by 16 percent of Americans versus 24 percent for Barack Obama and 28 percent for John Edwards. But majorities see all three top Democratic contenders as being "somewhat" religious.

- Public awareness of Giuliani's stance on abortion is not widespread. Overall, just 22 percent of the public and 31 percent of Republicans know Giuliani supports abortion rights.

- Domestic issues at 78 percent and the Iraq war at 72 percent are the main voter priorities, topping social issues, which were viewed as very important by 38 percent.


smile.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 7 2007, 11:57 AM) [snapback]326804[/snapback]

I turned off the sig lines on my browser. It was wearing out my scrolie mousie.


Lots of good stuff in there though. I saved a few already.


QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 7 2007, 07:48 PM) [snapback]326948[/snapback]

It wasn't you in particular.


My tribute to Harvey Birdman is over...


QUOTE(Innocent @ Sep 7 2007, 07:46 PM) [snapback]326944[/snapback]


Better?



Did you post them all together somewhere?
Innocent
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 7 2007, 10:54 PM) [snapback]326953[/snapback]
Did you post them all together somewhere?


I could...but that would be REALLY excessive. It's about 93 pages.

smile.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Innocent @ Sep 7 2007, 08:24 PM) [snapback]326962[/snapback]


I could...but that would be REALLY excessive. It's about 93 pages.

smile.gif


I got space.....though it might be better as a separate topic. No biggie, I just love lists like that.
patheticJT
QUOTE(Nomarchy @ Sep 8 2007, 12:10 AM) [snapback]326874[/snapback]

First, fark off and die with the multiple useless quotation marks, you farking worthless C. U. N. T..



blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif
hunin
QUOTE(Innocent @ Sep 7 2007, 09:49 PM) [snapback]326949[/snapback]

Religion not clear-cut issue in White House race


QUOTE
Public awareness of Giuliani's stance on abortion is not widespread. Overall, just 22 percent of the public and 31 percent of Republicans know Giuliani supports abortion rights.





I suspect that will change. wink.gif



QUOTE
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani said illegal immigration is not a crime, prompting rival Mitt Romney to accuse him of not taking the problem seriously. The two have clashed for weeks over illegal immigration, an issue that inflames GOP conservatives who influence primary elections. The irony is that both candidates have in the past taken more liberal stands on the issue.

"It's not a crime," Giuliani said Friday. "I know that's very hard for people to understand, but it's not a federal crime."

Giuliani's comments came in an interview with CNN Headline News and radio talk-show host Glenn Beck.

"I was U.S. attorney in the Southern district of New York," he said. "So believe me, I know this. In fact, when you throw an immigrant out of the country, it's not a criminal proceeding. It's a civil proceeding."

Illegal immigration shouldn't be a crime, either, Giuliani said: "No, it shouldn't be because the government wouldn't be able to prosecute it. We couldn't prosecute 12 million people. We have only 2 million people in jail right now for all the crimes that are committed in the country, 2.5 million."

He added: "My solution is close the border to illegal immigration."

The former New York mayor has been defending his city's so-called sanctuary policy, which stopped city workers from reporting suspected illegal immigrants. The policy is intended to make illegal immigrants feel that they can report crimes, send their children to school or seek medical treatment without fear of being reported. It did require police to turn in illegal immigrants suspected of committing crimes.

A Romney spokesman said the comments show Giuliani doesn't take the problem seriously.

"His advocacy for sanctuary city policies and his troubling lack of interest in making enforcement of our nation's immigration laws a priority puts him at odds with those who want to secure our borders and end illegal immigration," said Romney spokesman Matt Rhoades....



http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gRR53lb...OR2achdY94dcEwA
patheticJT
The Democrats' Foreign Funny Money
By Michelle Malkin
Wednesday, September 5, 2007


Here's a peculiar thing about the holier-than-thou Campaign Finance Reform crowd. Whenever the stench of dirty money starts wafting from Democrat Party coffers, the clean election lobbyists are nowhere to be found. They'll raise hell and hackles over American corporate donors. But when it's shady foreign operators infusing cash into our electoral system, you'll only hear one sound: the deafening swell of crickets chirping.

Hillary and Bill Clinton have declared themselves "shocked" at revelations about one of the Democrat Party's mysterious, deep-pocketed bagmen, Hong Kong native Norman Hsu. Hsu, a prodigious Democrat donor, was arrested last week after having evaded the law for 15 years over grand theft swindling charges. Hsu pleaded no context to those charges and was supposed to serve jail time. Instead, he managed to remain a fugitive while raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars for Democrat candidates and officeholders -- and posing openly for photographs with the likes of Hillary Clinton.

According to investigative blogger Flip Pidot (suitablyflip.com), who delved into public records and crunched the numbers, Clinton took the lion's share of political cash ($174,000) from Hsu and his network of suspected donor-bundlers whose campaign checks dwarfed their income. New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo and New York Governor (and former Attorney General) Eliot Spitzer accepted the largest sums of direct cash from Hsu.

Reports Pidot: "Among state parties, campaign committees, and advocacy groups, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee topped the list, with $122,000, though three state Democratic parties or committees (Tennessee, New York, and New Jersey) took more from Hsu directly. Of the 32 organizations that took money from Hsu and his associates, 10 were state Democratic parties and several others were Democratic campaign committees. The 84 individuals who received money from Hsu and his associates included 17 Gubernatorial candidates, 17 Congressional candidates, 27 Senatorial candidates, and a variety of statewide and local candidates. All were Democrats, with the exception of Tom Gallagher, Florida's former CFO and an unsuccessful primary challenger to Charlie Crist in the 2006 Governor race. Including candidate-specific PACs, these individuals have taken just over $1 million from Hsu's group since the 2004 cycle. . . . Another 22 organizations received support from Hsu's network since 2004, primarily Democratic campaign committees and state Democratic parties."

Former President Clinton, who left the White House up to his eyeballs in campaign finance scandals, retreated to Southern folksy talk when asked about the Hsu scandal over the weekend.

"You could have knocked me over with a straw, especially when I heard the L.A. people had been allegedly looking for him for 15 years when he was in plain view," he told Newsday. With a straw? How about a cluebat?

Funny money? In the party of Clean Campaigns? No!

The truth smarts like a snapped thong. Thwack. The straw donor scheme has clear shades of the Clintons' Chinagate scheme: Dubious givers. Con artist rainmakers. And disingenuous pleas of ignorance and shock.

While the campaign finance reform crowd ducks under the table, there is one vociferous group making noise. Like clockwork, Asian-American groups were first out of the gate protesting public scrutiny of the foreign donors and whining about profiling. Deja vu all over again. "It would be wholly inappropriate to link this in any way to the '96 campaign cycle investigations, just because both involve Asian-Americans," Lawrence Barcella, a lawyer for Hsu, who is a top donor to Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, told Politico.com.

No. It's because both involve the craven Clintons, a trademark incuriosity about the backgrounds of big donors and a network of generous contributors of notably meager means.

Executive director of the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund in New York, Margaret Fung, a prominent voice who decried every last newspaper story about convicted campaign finance felon John Huang during the 1990s, recycled her old talking points again: "It links Norman Hsu and the Paw family to other Asian-American donors in previous campaigns, solely because of their race. It insinuates that Asian-Americans are more prone to making improper donations and have been doing this for years. What is this obsession with Asian-American donors?"

What is this knee-jerk obsession with crying racism and wallowing in collective ethnic grievances? It's not just about "Asian-American" donors. It's about felon and fugitive donors of a rainbow of races and backgrounds. It's about the Clintons' -- and the Dems' -- systemic corner-cutting, campaign corruption and double standards. There is a Chinese saying: "When you drink water, always think about the source."

Peering into the poisoned well isn't "racism." It's the duty of a responsible republic.

Human Ills
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Sep 7 2007, 11:57 AM) [snapback]326804[/snapback]

I turned off the sig lines on my browser. It was wearing out my scrolie mousie.

I'll try that. Thanks. smile.gif

QUOTE(Innocent @ Sep 7 2007, 07:46 PM) [snapback]326944[/snapback]

Better?

Don't change on my account. wink.gif I forgot about the feature. It works.
Brian_Lambchops
QUOTE(patheticJT @ Sep 8 2007, 08:25 AM) [snapback]327022[/snapback]



Hillary and Bill Clinton have declared themselves "shocked" at revelations about one of the Democrat Party's mysterious, deep-pocketed bagmen, Hong Kong native Norman Hsu. Hsu, a prodigious Democrat donor, was arrested last week after having evaded the law for 15 years over grand theft swindling charges. Hsu pleaded no context to those charges and was supposed to serve jail time. Instead, he managed to remain a fugitive while raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars for Democrat candidates and officeholders -- and posing openly for photographs with the likes of Hillary Clinton.

According to investigative blogger Flip Pidot (suitablyflip.com), who delved into public records and crunched the numbers, Clinton took the lion's share of political cash ($174,000) from Hsu and his network of suspected donor-bundlers whose campaign checks dwarfed their income. New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo and New York Governor (and former Attorney General) Eliot Spitzer accepted the largest sums of direct cash from Hsu.

Reports Pidot: "Among state parties, campaign committees, and advocacy groups, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee topped the list, with $122,000, though three state Democratic parties or committees (Tennessee, New York, and New Jersey) took more from Hsu directly. Of the 32 organizations that took money from Hsu and his associates, 10 were state Democratic parties and several others were Democratic campaign committees. The 84 individuals who received money from Hsu and his associates included 17 Gubernatorial candidates, 17 Congressional candidates, 27 Senatorial candidates, and a variety of statewide and local candidates. All were Democrats, with the exception of Tom Gallagher, Florida's former CFO and an unsuccessful primary challenger to Charlie Crist in the 2006 Governor race. Including candidate-specific PACs, these individuals have taken just over $1 million from Hsu's group since the 2004 cycle. . . . Another 22 organizations received support from Hsu's network since 2004, primarily Democratic campaign committees and state Democratic parties."

Former President Clinton, who left the White House up to his eyeballs in campaign finance scandals, retreated to Southern folksy talk when asked about the Hsu scandal over the weekend.

"You could have knocked me over with a straw, especially when I heard the L.A. people had been allegedly looking for him for 15 years when he was in plain view," he told Newsday. With a straw? How about a cluebat?

Funny money? In the party of Clean Campaigns? No!

The truth smarts like a snapped thong. Thwack. The straw donor scheme has clear shades of the Clintons' Chinagate scheme: Dubious givers. Con artist rainmakers. And disingenuous pleas of ignorance and shock.

While the campaign finance reform crowd ducks under the table, there is one vociferous group making noise. Like clockwork, Asian-American groups were first out of the gate protesting public scrutiny of the foreign donors and whining about profiling. Deja vu all over again. "It would be wholly inappropriate to link this in any way to the '96 campaign cycle investigations, just because both involve Asian-Americans," Lawrence Barcella, a lawyer for Hsu, who is a top donor to Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, told Politico.com.

No. It's because both involve the craven Clintons, a trademark incuriosity about the backgrounds of big donors and a network of generous contributors of notably meager means.
What is this obsession with Asian-American donors?"



They can afford to run to China.
inyerface
who do you think pays for our war?

on credit of course....
Bee
The "interest" might be more than "we" can afford. sad.gif
Lord_Proprietor

And They're Really Off...

Fred's in, John's fighting, Rudy's ahead, and Mitt's got ready cash.


by Fred Barnes

09/17/2007, Volume 013, Issue 01

You didn't see it on TV. Because when Mitt Romney was talking during last week's Republican presidential debate on Fox News, the camera was on him, not John McCain. But McCain was sending a message. He looked at Romney with disdain and rolled his eyes at nearly everything Romney said. The message from McCain was that he's a contender after all for the Republican nomination and ready to take on his opponents vigorously, Romney in particular.

McCain's rise from his political deathbed (as a presidential candidate) was one of two events that reshaped the Republican race as it entered the serious phase, the real campaign, post-Labor Day. The other was Fred Thompson's impressive leap into the contest after having sleepwalked through the I'm-thinking-about-it phase of his candidacy with a series of desultory speeches over the summer. As a full-blown candidate, Thompson was suddenly animated, energized, and appealing.

So here's where the campaign stands with actual voting in Iowa, New Hampshire, and a lot of other places roughly three months away. Based on their chances of winning the nomination, I rank the candidates in this order: (1) Rudy Giuliani, (2) Romney, (3) Thompson, and (4) McCain. The top three are closely bunched, with McCain trailing.


Let's start with Rudy. He is far and away the best campaigner in the field. His performance in the Fox debate in New Hampshire wasn't his best, but he was still pretty good. He skillfully deflected a tough question that suggested his family values are not as strong as Romney's. Giuliani is twice-divorced and has an uneasy relationship with his two children.

"I think someone's private life, someone's family life, is something that you all look into to determine how are they going to conduct themselves in public office," he responded. "And in my case, you have 30 years, 35 years of experience to figure out how I would." After listing a few of his achievements, Giuliani added: "Any issues in my private life do not affect my public performance."

Giuliani's most important feat has been to defuse the issue of his social liberalism. I'm not sure exactly how he's done it, but he's left the impression that while he's pro-choice, pro-gun control, and pro-gay rights, conservatives need not worry. These are just opinions, not principles he would act on as president. At least that's what he's implied.

Giuliani gets credit for having, as mayor, transformed New York City, a Democratic stronghold. Romney gets far less from having been a Republican governor of a Democratic state, Massachusetts. But he has looks, money, a strong organization, and a set of conservative proposals that are well thought out. He's formidable.

There's something in Romney's political persona that has kept him from gaining national support, but where it really matters--Iowa and New Hampshire, the first states to vote next January--he has double-digit leads over his rivals. His opponents argue this is just because he's run TV ads in those states. That's true--and the ads have obviously worked.

If Romney wins those two states, he'll be difficult to stop. The significant thing is that he'll have enough money to run expensive media campaigns in the subsequent primaries. So Romney shouldn't be underestimated.

Major Garrett of Fox News distinguishes between the two Fred Thompsons. Garrett covered Thompson's first campaign, for the Senate from Tennessee in 1994. There was the "dull and lawyerly Fred" and the "folksy and persuasive Fred." We saw a lot of the dull Fred earlier this year. The folksy and forceful Fred emerged last week after he formally announced his candidacy.

Thompson lost nothing by delaying his announcement and skipping debates. As he told Jay Leno on the night of the New Hampshire debate, "I don't think people are going to say, you know, 'That guy would make a very good president, but he just didn't get in soon enough.'" By the way, three million people watched the debate. Six million saw Thompson on Leno.

The task Thompson faces is not just to convince Republicans he's a "consistent conservative"--that is, unlike Romney who's not consistent and Giuliani who's not conservative. That's easy. Thompson has to make the case to conservatives that, like Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, he wouldn't knuckle under as president to pressure from the Washington establishment and a hostile media. That's harder. Yet it's the rationale for a Thompson presidency.

McCain doesn't require a rationale. Given his experience and his national security credentials, he is the rationale. His support for the war in Iraq and the surge are the essential elements of his appeal. McCain's best moment in the debate was when he zinged Romney for saying the surge is "apparently" working.

"Governor," McCain said, "the surge is working. The surge is working, sir."

"That's just what I said," Romney replied.

"It is working," McCain said. "No, not 'apparently.' It's working."

McCain has a problem. If he had set out in the last few years purposely to alienate every Republican in the land, he couldn't have done a better job than he actually has without trying. To put it mildly, he has a lot of Republican animosity to overcome. For McCain to win the nomination, a multitude of Republicans will have to change their mind about him. It's possible, but hardly likely.

Why doesn't Mike Huckabee belong among the top candidates? He's likable and funny, but he has the fatal flaw of being the press's favorite. Remember Bruce Babbitt? John Anderson? They suffered this fate. Reporters operate under the illusion that because they covered the Iowa straw poll, it and Huckabee's second-place finish mattered. Wrong.

I haven't a clue as to who will win the nomination. But whoever does had better get over the notion that Hillary Clinton, in the likelihood she's the Democratic nominee, will unite Republicans and propel them to victory. She'll help, but it will take much more to rally despondent and divided Republicans. Much, much more.

Fred Barnes is executive editor of THE WEEKLY STANDARD.



Innocent
Will Bush's Tragedy Trap His Successor in Iraq?

QUOTE
The essence of Greek tragedy is that protagonists move inexorably to a climax the audience can anticipate before the characters discover their fate. As the curtain rises for Washington's battle over Iraq, Congressional leaders must reject the role President Bush has scripted for them in his Iraq tragedy. Otherwise, in January 2009, a newly-elected president will find himself or herself waist deep in a quagmire that will dominate their one term presidency.


Huh, what an interesting perspective. It seems clear to me that Republicans are going to lose the presidency, and perhaps the legislative branches as well, because of Bush and Iraq. But given the Iraq quagmire, I wonder if part of the Republican political strategy is to keep it a mess in order to limit the damage to Republican politicians to a single election cycle. This seems very much in keeping with a "Rovian" political strategy.

YouTube Video: BILL MAHER: *COL. WILKERSON* FORMER GEN POWELL AIDE

Huh, apparently Col. Wilkerson has the same impression. There may be a Rovian Republican political strategy to keep Iraq a mess for self-serving political reasons. "If you can't fix it, make sure it's broken for the next administration."
hunin
QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ Sep 8 2007, 01:51 PM) [snapback]327070[/snapback]

....McCain has a problem. If he had set out in the last few years purposely to alienate every Republican in the land, he couldn't have done a better job than he actually has without trying. To put it mildly, he has a lot of Republican animosity to overcome. For McCain to win the nomination, a multitude of Republicans will have to change their mind about him. It's possible, but hardly likely....


He has a ruff row to hoe.
underhi2p
QUOTE(Innocent @ Sep 8 2007, 08:00 PM) [snapback]327129[/snapback]

Will Bush's Tragedy Trap His Successor in Iraq?



Huh, what an interesting perspective. It seems clear to me that Republicans are going to lose the presidency, and perhaps the legislative branches as well, because of Bush and Iraq. But given the Iraq quagmire, I wonder if part of the Republican political strategy is to keep it a mess in order to limit the damage to Republican politicians to a single election cycle. This seems very much in keeping with a "Rovian" political strategy.

YouTube Video: BILL MAHER: *COL. WILKERSON* FORMER GEN POWELL AIDE

Huh, apparently Col. Wilkerson has the same impression. There may be a Rovian Republican political strategy to keep Iraq a mess for self-serving political reasons. "If you can't fix it, make sure it's broken for the next administration."



The Democrats are petrified of the debacle they've help create in Iraq. All that politicking for the last six years is starting to scare the poopy out of them.

They've helped create the mess they've created and now they're scrambling to spin damage control.

The Democrats are terrified of the repercussions of what will happen when The Shills and Baby Jesus take over in 2009 and they haven't been able to force Bushie to get out of Iraq.

After all, The Shills authorized Bushie to do whatever he wanted to in Iraq.

This is going to be a lot of fun.

Innocent
QUOTE(underhi2p @ Sep 8 2007, 09:52 PM) [snapback]327142[/snapback]
After all, The Shills authorized Bushie to do whatever he wanted to in Iraq.


Well, no. For instance Congress was not told of the evidence that the current administration had that we knew Iraq didn't have WMD, that Israel knew this was the case, etc., etc. Plus, the stated intent of Democrats, like Kerry for instance, was that the authority was being given as a last ditch effort should diplomacy fail, and we now know that diplomacy was never seriously considered by the current administration. Certainly the war authorization was not intended to allow Bush to "do whatever he wanted to in Iraq," though that is certainly how he implemented it.

QUOTE(underhi2p @ Sep 8 2007, 09:52 PM) [snapback]327142[/snapback]
This is going to be a lot of fun.


Given consistent Bush's failures, particularly Iraq, the next election is likely to be "a lot of fun" for Democrats at least. The question is "will Democrats allow the current administration to trap them in their failed policy," IMHO. How that plays out is yet to be determined.

smile.gif


QUOTE(hunin @ Sep 8 2007, 09:27 PM) [snapback]327139[/snapback]
He has a ruff row to hoe.


Are you from the south, Hunin? The first time I heard that phrase was from a friend from W. Virginia.

smile.gif
hunin
Just southern MN, ma'am.

May be a farmer thang.

Did spend some time in MS as well. Didn't learn it there tho.
Innocent
QUOTE(hunin @ Sep 8 2007, 10:24 PM) [snapback]327149[/snapback]
May be a farmer thang.


Perhaps. Just curious.

biggrin.gif
underhi2p
QUOTE(Innocent @ Sep 8 2007, 09:09 PM) [snapback]327145[/snapback]

Well, no. For instance Congress was not told of the evidence that the current administration had that we knew Iraq didn't have WMD, that Israel knew this was the case, etc., etc. Plus, the stated intent of Democrats, like Kerry for instance, was that the authority was being given as a last ditch effort should diplomacy fail, and we now know that diplomacy was never seriously considered by the current administration. Certainly the war authorization was not intended to allow Bush to "do whatever he wanted to in Iraq," though that is certainly how he implemented it.
Given consistent Bush's failures, particularly Iraq, the next election is likely to be "a lot of fun" for Democrats at least. The question is "will Democrats allow the current administration to trap them in their failed policy," IMHO. How that plays out is yet to be determined.

smile.gif
Are you from the south, Hunin? The first time I heard that phrase was from a friend from W. Virginia.

smile.gif



The fact of the matter is when The Shills and Baby Jesus take over, they'll be expected to "fix" all of "Bushie's mistakes".

Seeing as both of these people have been part of the problem they'll be expected to find a solution.

As you know, voters' memories are only as long as an election cycle.

There's no way, they'll be able to force Bushie to pull out of Iraq so they'll inherit a problem they've had a huge part in creating.

This will be a lot of fun when The Shills and Baby Jesus are running the world, Pugs Pelosi is running her world and Harry Reid is running his world.

The first thing these two better do is pass some tax increases for the poor.



Innocent
QUOTE(underhi2p @ Sep 8 2007, 11:01 PM) [snapback]327152[/snapback]
The fact of the matter is when The Shills and Baby Jesus take over, they'll be expected to "fix" all of "Bushie's mistakes".


Indeed. There are, of course, no good solutions to these mistakes. Um, I may have misinterpreted you. Who are the "Shills" and "Baby Jesus?" From context, I presumed that "the shills" were members of Congress. I have no idea about "Baby Jesus."

QUOTE(underhi2p @ Sep 8 2007, 11:01 PM) [snapback]327152[/snapback]
The first thing these two better do is pass some tax increases for the poor.


That seems very improbable. A more equitable sharing of the tax burden that doesn't favor the rich, and gives relief to the middle and lower classes is probably likely though.

smile.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Innocent @ Sep 8 2007, 08:09 PM) [snapback]327153[/snapback]




That seems very improbable. A more equitable sharing of the tax burden that doesn't favor the rich, and gives relief to the middle and lower classes is probably likely though.


I'm afraid the conventional wisdom and the facts aren't alway in alignment. The middle class is the biggest group of voters, but the rich and poor may well get a worse deal for their tax dollar. I can't remember an election when every pol from both parties wasn't pandering to the "middle class".
bay
QUOTE(Bee @ Sep 8 2007, 06:20 PM) [snapback]327063[/snapback]

The "interest" might be more than "we" can afford. sad.gif

Ya got that right!
bay
QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ Sep 8 2007, 06:51 PM) [snapback]327070[/snapback]


_bay's comments in green



And They're Really Off...

by Fred Barnes

09/17/2007, Volume 013, Issue 01

You didn't see it on TV. Because when Mitt Romney was talking during last week's Republican presidential debate on Fox News, the camera was on him, not John McCain. But McCain was sending a message. He looked at Romney with disdain and rolled his eyes at nearly everything Romney said. The message from McCain was that he's a contender after all for the Republican nomination and ready to take on his opponents vigorously, Romney in particular.

McCain's rise from his political deathbed (as a presidential candidate) was one of two events that reshaped the Republican race as it entered the serious phase, the real campaign, post-Labor Day. The other was Fred Thompson's impressive leap into the contest after having sleepwalked through the I'm-thinking-about-it phase of his candidacy with a series of desultory speeches over the summer. As a full-blown candidate, Thompson was suddenly animated, energized, and appealing.

Imho, there must be some strong pro-war Republicans trying to salvage McCain's image. He has been a supporter of the war when all other candidates (both parties) have said it's a disaster. But McCain's real fall from Grace with some Republicans and probably most Independents (please note - this is just my opinion - not Gospel) was his input in the Immigration Bill. In fact I believe he acknowledged that on numerous occasions.

I can't imagine any serious voter being lured into voting for Thompson. Maybe Tommy Thompson, who I think is a good and decent man and who might have been a good president - but not Fred. Think about that. With all the earth shattering stuff that is going on in our world would we elect someone who has 'nodal marginal zone lymphoma'. I'm not sure how serious that really is - but the title alone would scare me to death. Cancer drugs can do very weird things to the human body and I would not recommend any candidate with cancer of any kind being considered. It's not like there are not millions of people out there who are as capable as Thompson who could be president.



So here's where the campaign stands with actual voting in Iowa, New Hampshire, and a lot of other places roughly three months away. Based on their chances of winning the nomination, I rank the candidates in this order: (1) Rudy Giuliani, (2) Romney, (3) Thompson, and (4) McCain. The top three are closely bunched, with McCain trailing.


To use a 'boonie' expression - HOGWASH! Is that wishful thinking? McCain has been trailing forever. What makes anyone think he can cause the voters to change their minds at this stage of the game? I think a lot of these people, like Fred Barnes, need to visit Boonieland and see what the voters are really thinking. The more the 'comprehensive Immigration' pushers push - the madder the people in the boonies get. I think the 'war media' would like to 'write' McCain into first place but imho, it will never happen.

This crowd really push the polls as long as their candidate is on top. But the polls I've seen lately indicate everyone but Barnes picks coming in as winners. Ron Paul seems to be coming in first place - but for some reason they seem to completely ignore that fact. And Duncan Hunter came in first in a Texas straw poll - which I am certain was because of his Immigration stand. What I find particularily amusing is the fact that Immigration WILL BE THE DETERMINING factor on how a lot of states vote - but that is being ignored. One wonders why an issue THAT IMPORTANT to so many people is being left out of the discussion.



Let's start with Rudy. He is far and away the best campaigner in the field. His performance in the Fox debate in New Hampshire wasn't his best, but he was still pretty good. He skillfully deflected a tough question that suggested his family values are not as strong as Romney's. Giuliani is twice-divorced and has an uneasy relationship with his two children.

"I think someone's private life, someone's family life, is something that you all look into to determine how are they going to conduct themselves in public office," he responded. "And in my case, you have 30 years, 35 years of experience to figure out how I would." After listing a few of his achievements, Giuliani added: "Any issues in my private life do not affect my public performance."

Giuliani's most important feat has been to defuse the issue of his social liberalism. I'm not sure exactly how he's done it, but he's left the impression that while he's pro-choice, pro-gun control, and pro-gay rights, conservatives need not worry. These are just opinions, not principles he would act on as president. At least that's what he's implied.

Giuliani gets credit for having, as mayor, transformed New York City, a Democratic stronghold. Romney gets far less from having been a Republican governor of a Democratic state, Massachusetts. But he has looks, money, a strong organization, and a set of conservative proposals that are well thought out. He's formidable.

Since I have a lot of faith in Space's opinions I crossed Giuliani off my list as a 'preferred candidate'. But one thing I do like about Giuliani is his ability to compartmentalize the various aspects of 'candidate assets'. He seems determined to stick to the problems of the country, rather than his and voters personal social values. I say it's time to tuck them away somewhere until we can fix the life and death problems we seem to be facing. (I have).


There's something in Romney's political persona that has kept him from gaining national support, but where it really matters--Iowa and New Hampshire, the first states to vote next January--he has double-digit leads over his rivals. His opponents argue this is just because he's run TV ads in those states. That's true--and the ads have obviously worked.

If Romney wins those two states, he'll be difficult to stop. The significant thing is that he'll have enough money to run expensive media campaigns in the subsequent primaries. So Romney shouldn't be underestimated.

Major Garrett of Fox News distinguishes between the two Fred Thompsons. Garrett covered Thompson's first campaign, for the Senate from Tennessee in 1994. There was the "dull and lawyerly Fred" and the "folksy and persuasive Fred." We saw a lot of the dull Fred earlier this year. The folksy and forceful Fred emerged last week after he formally announced his candidacy.

Thompson lost nothing by delaying his announcement and skipping debates. As he told Jay Leno on the night of the New Hampshire debate, "I don't think people are going to say, you know, 'That guy would make a very good president, but he just didn't get in soon enough.'" By the way, three million people watched the debate. Six million saw Thompson on Leno.

The task Thompson faces is not just to convince Republicans he's a "consistent conservative"--that is, unlike Romney who's not consistent and Giuliani who's not conservative. That's easy. Thompson has to make the case to conservatives that, like Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, he wouldn't knuckle under as president to pressure from the Washington establishment and a hostile media. That's harder. Yet it's the rationale for a Thompson presidency.

McCain doesn't require a rationale. Given his experience and his national security credentials, he is the rationale. His support for the war in Iraq and the surge are the essential elements of his appeal. McCain's best moment in the debate was when he zinged Romney for saying the surge is "apparently" working.

"Governor," McCain said, "the surge is working. The surge is working, sir."

"That's just what I said," Romney replied.

"It is working," McCain said. "No, not 'apparently.' It's working."

McCain has a problem. If he had set out in the last few years purposely to alienate every Republican in the land, he couldn't have done a better job than he actually has without trying. To put it mildly, he has a lot of Republican animosity to overcome. For McCain to win the nomination, a multitude of Republicans will have to change their mind about him. It's possible, but hardly likely.

Why doesn't Mike Huckabee belong among the top candidates? He's likable and funny, but he has the fatal flaw of being the press's favorite. Remember Bruce Babbitt? John Anderson? They suffered this fate. Reporters operate under the illusion that because they covered the Iowa straw poll, it and Huckabee's second-place finish mattered. Wrong.

The main point here is that Barnes is looking at the situation from an Eastern point of view, and I'm looking at it through a Midwest point of view. These are not the days of Bruce Babbitt and John Anderson. These are the days of an administration who looked the people in the eye and lied to them. Bad move. It will take someone they can trust to get them to vote Republican in any case. So who of those four top runners would the people trust? (1)Giuliani, (2) Romney, (3) Thompson, and (4) McCain
I don't think the Bible Belt will vote for (3 wives/pro-abortion)Giuliani, (Morman)Romney, (Hollywood/lobbyist) Thompson, or ('comprehensive Immigration' and war supporter) McCain.
They would vote for (possibly) Huckabee, or Paul. Brownback is way too far right; and Hunter and Tancredo will get the votes of anyone mad about illegal immigration, but probably not too many more. Imho NO WAY do the Eastern pundits want either Huckabee or Paul to be the nominee. They will do everything in their power to get the voters to believe they are not electable, and not credible. Actually these two candidates may be the ONLY ones that can beat Hillary, because they could sweep the Independent vote.



I haven't a clue as to who will win the nomination. But whoever does had better get over the notion that Hillary Clinton, in the likelihood she's the Democratic nominee, will unite Republicans and propel them to victory. She'll help, but it will take much more to rally despondent and divided Republicans. Much, much more.

I think if the Republicans want to win in 2008 and HC is the Democratic candidate they need to do these things:
Try to insure their candidate is anti-illegal-immigration. Immigration is the hot button issue in small towns across this nation. It will sway Republicans, Democrats and Independents.

Try to exploit the fact that from 1988 thru 2008 there has been a Bush or Clinton in the Oval Office - bordering on a Monarchy.

Try to exploit the fact:..... former Yalies--Bush, Clinton, Bush again, Kerry, Woolsey, Bremer and Wolfowitz ..... and are we willing to elect yet another one????

QUOTE

http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/herman/herman27.html
Gee, given the disastrous track record from these former alums or professors of Yale Law School shouldn't we draft a resolution that says: henceforth no candidate for elected office in the continental United States should be eligible for office if connected in any way, shape or form, to Yale University? I mean, if you or I had "accomplished" the above in such a short period of time, we might be liable to criminal charges and prosecution. But this, of course, isn't tiny Alma College or equally unpretentious Olivet we're talking about. This is Yale University of Connecticut, home state of Senator Joe Lieberman, former Yale grad and ardent defender of all things Israel, and former home to the mighty CIA. Need I say more?


Paul was born and raised in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He graduated from Gettysburg College and the Duke University School of Medicine, before proudly serving as a flight surgeon in the U.S. Air Force during the 1960s.

Huckabee's Education:
 Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, M.A., 1980
 Ouachita Baptist University, B.A., 1975




Fred Barnes is executive editor of THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

hunin
I don't think his bout w/cancer is a deal breaker. He's in remission.

He has enuf other obstacles.




QUOTE
Valium Fred, the panacea of the people


People like Fred Thompson. So far as I can tell, that is currently the prime rationale for his candidacy for president of the United States. He doesn’t need to launch a media blitz to achieve this level of public fondness. His avuncular, crumpled tower of a personage is well known from many episodes of Law & Order.

In this year’s race, only one other Republican candidate has even minimal charm – the obscure Mike Hucka-bee of Arkansas, who is obviously (and rather successfully) running for vice-president. Rudy Giuliani is many things, but likable isn’t one of them. Mitt Romney has failed to win over many conservatives despite an impeccable family life and a platform largely dictated by the far-right activist base. The slickness and eagerness to please seem to glide past any political traction. John McCain is too prickly to be cuddled. But good old Fred has the shtick down.

Last Wednesday he lolloped onto The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, skipping the Fox News Republican debate in New Hampshire, and announced for president. It was an unconventional entrance, disdained by even conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh for its celebrity-driven aura. But it worked well enough.

The way Thompson drawls backwards into an answer, the manner in which he almost fails to finish his sentences because of boredom or his easy-going way, the gentle, inclusive humour, the effortless stage presence of an actor/lawyer: all these came across beguilingly. I’ll admit it: I like him. He’s been charming when we’ve met; and once you get over craning your neck upwards to see his lofty face, you find yourself wanting him to do well.

Of course, you’re not too sure what exactly he would do. Iraq? It’s the biggest question in the election, and I have absolutely no idea what Thompson favours. He says he wants the country to show resolve and fortitude. He was for the war. What now? “We stay until we get the job done.” Which means: “Until it is pacified enough that the people of Iraq have a free life and don’t get killed by Al-Qaeda . . . We cannot afford to go into a situation and not show resolve.”

Do we therefore withdraw now from Baghdad? Or Anbar? Do we add troops? Do we remove them? How quickly? These questions – vital ones, being debated not at some future date, but now – remain opaque in Thompson’s worldview.


He’s hostile to Iran’s regime, but has not offered any explicit strategy to deal with it. He’s George W Bush with a Valium and a more reassuring demeanour. That may be enough for the Republicans; but it is surely insufficient for the global hyper-power in a historic crisis of foreign policy.

Thompson is accused of being lazy. So was Ronald Reagan, of course. But there is a key difference between the Reagan of 1979 and the Thompson of 2007. Reagan had spent a lifetime honing arguments, finessing policy, articulating a broad philosophical view, while proposing concrete and radical policy options.

Thompson has a legislative record as a senator from Tennessee that is all but invisible. Yes, he has a solid conservative record on taxes and other people’s spending. But he was a hog for his home-state pork barrel projects. He was, in other words, a popular backbencher – but no more....





A thinker he isn’t. He’s rather a conveyor of mood. In a period of less moment, when less is at stake, this might be an aesthetic preference: a calm presence in a storm. But on the substance of war, and foreign policy, the Thompson shtick can seem somewhat detached from the needs of the moment.

But he squares a Republican circle.
Thompson is a Southern social conservative with mass appeal. He’s not a fire-breather, and not a Bible-thumper. No one can imagine him dragging women into jail for abortions. On marriage, he favours a federal constitutional amendment – but only to ensure that no state is forced to adopt same-sex marriage because of another one.

He also manages to frame his candidacy as somehow untainted by recent Republican incompetence and harshness. At times he almost sounds like Barack Obama, the Democratic contender, arguing that “problems will be dealt with when our leaders come together, as adults, and honestly seek solutions that extend past the next election cycle”. Unlike Obama, however, Thompson has almost no solid agenda to run on.....






His campaign has also been staggering from defections even before it began – and his wife Jeri has raised hackles among campaign staffers for her controlling tendencies. She is, it bears noting, a full 24 years younger than her spouse – and Thompson’s 17-year history of bachelor life before his 2002 marriage, may yet give him grief on the campaign trail among evangelicals.

The populist aura may also fade. His “aw shucks” regular guy routine wears thin once you see all the lucrative lobbying he has done since leaving the Senate....


With the major Republican candidates hailing from New York, Massachusetts and Arizona, that matters. The Republicans are a Southern party now. The candidate designed to appeal to them – Northeastern/Mid-western Mormon, Mitt Romney – just hasn’t caught on. It is hard to believe his Mormonism has nothing to do with this.

And so Thompson emerges in the widening sectarian and political gap. Buoyed by celebrity, unencumbered by actual policies, platitudinous on Iraq, but oozing calm, he is the antianxiety medication for a troubled America. I’m just not sure a sedative is what the country really needs right now. A wake-up call would be more appropriate.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/c...icle2413304.ece






Arturo_Vandelay
Thompson still has more earned experience than Hillary. Maybe the "news" people ought to keep that in mind.
hunin
And a better looking spouse. laugh.gif


QUOTE
This week’s GOP debate in New Hampshire drew 3.1 million viewers — the largest debate audience so far of the 2008 race. But Fred Thompson’s announcement the same night on Jay Leno’s show drew 6 million, up 15 percent from Leno’s typical Wednesday audience....



http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/265762.html

Brian_Lambchops
QUOTE(hunin @ Sep 9 2007, 08:56 AM) [snapback]327209[/snapback]


Fred should stick to Hollywood. He'd play the part of president, but I don't know if he can do the job. I know Hillary can't, she'd be stuck with Bill and the Clinton machine doing all her thinking for her. Much worse than Rove and Cheney for Bush.
hunin
Playing the part well would be a serious improvement. laugh.gif


QUOTE
...A little more than three years after Pan Am Flight 103 blew up over Lockerbie, Scotland, Fred Thompson provided advice to a colleague about one of his law firm's new clients: the man representing the two Libyan intelligence officials charged in the bombing.

The colleague, John Culver, a partner at the Washington firm of Arent Fox Kintner Plotkin & Kahn, began advising the two suspects' Libyan lawyer in February 1992. Thompson, according to a memorandum from that era written by his secretary, held "discussions with Culver re: Libya" that same month.

At the time, Libya was facing international outrage for refusing to comply with a U.N. demand that the two suspects be extradited to the West for trial in the 1988 bombing, which killed 270 people.

The involvement of Thompson, who worked part-time for Arent Fox as a lawyer and lobbyist from 1991 until shortly before his election to the Senate in 1994, never became public. But Arent Fox's chairman, Marc L. Fleischaker, confirmed that Thompson, now a Republican presidential candidate, briefly provided Culver with advice about the suspects' case, billing the firm for 3.3 hours of his time.

Ibrahim Legwell, the Libyan lawyer who represented the two intelligence officials, said his main goal had been to see that his clients were tried in Libya or a neutral country. He said Arent Fox "contributed a lot" to the defense effort. He said he had no record of ever speaking with Thompson.

Culver, a former Democratic senator from Iowa, said Thompson had not been a primary member of his team, and that Thompson's contribution amounted to "a couple of conversations."

Karen Henretty, a spokeswoman for his presidential campaign, said that Thompson had no authority to decide which clients the firm represented.

His campaign also noted that during his eight years in the Senate, Thompson supported sanctions against Libya.....



http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5119771.html
underhi2p
QUOTE(Innocent @ Sep 8 2007, 10:09 PM) [snapback]327153[/snapback]

Indeed. There are, of course, no good solutions to these mistakes. Um, I may have misinterpreted you. Who are the "Shills" and "Baby Jesus?" From context, I presumed that "the shills" were members of Congress. I have no idea about "Baby Jesus."
That seems very improbable. A more equitable sharing of the tax burden that doesn't favor the rich, and gives relief to the middle and lower classes is probably likely though.

smile.gif



"The Shills" is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Shillary. The Shills. The Democrats nomination for president in 2008.

"Baby Jesus" is Barack Hussein Obama. Many folk view Baby Jesus as the new Messiah. Baby Jesus is The Shill's running mate.

- - - - -

Let's put Jesus back in the White House. Elect Baby Jesus Obama in 2008.
Human Ills
Democrats to Meet for Spanish Debate
By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

2 hours ago

CORAL GABLES, Fla. - Democratic presidential candidates were meeting Sunday night for the first debate broadcast entirely in Spanish, the clearest sign yet of the growing influence of Hispanic voters.

The debate at the University of Miami will be broadcast by Univision, the nation's fifth-most watched network.

Anchors Jorge Ramos and Maria Elena Salinas will pose questions in Spanish and the candidates will wear earpieces to hear simultaneous translations into English. Similarly, their English answers will be translated into Spanish for the live, 90-minute broadcast.

English-speaking viewers can watch using the closed caption service on their televisions.

Two participants _ New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd _ have objected to the format because they speak Spanish and want to address the viewing audience directly. Debate rules say all answers must be in English to level the contest, but it was unclear whether Richardson or Dodd would comply.

Other participants include Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois, former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich and former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel.

Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, recently returned from a trip to Iraq, is skipping the debate to prepare for Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearings he will chair Tuesday with Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, and Ryan Crocker, U.S. ambassador to Iraq.

Candidates in both parties are reaching out to Hispanic voters with an intensity that speaks to the importance of the nation's largest and fastest-growing minority group in the campaign.

In 2004, President Bush won about 40 percent of the Hispanic vote nationally, the most ever for a GOP presidential candidate. His Democratic rival, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, won 53 percent, down from the 62 percent former Vice President Al Gore garnered in 2000.

Univision invited the Republican candidates for a similar forum, but only Arizona Sen. John McCain has accepted.

Hispanics have a new voice in the Democratic primary process with Nevada holding an early contest. Florida also has moved up its primary to Jan. 29, violating party rules. Democratic candidates have pledged not to campaign in Florida unless the date is changed by the end of the month.

Richardson has a Mexican mother and has made overt appeals to Hispanic voters, including announcing his candidacy in English and Spanish. He has said he doesn't think many Hispanics realize he is one of them.

Dodd, who served in the Peace Corps in the Dominican Republic, spoke in Spanish and English on Saturday in Coral Gables as he criticized U.S. policy toward Cuba.

Obama and Edwards are among candidates devoting portions of their Web sites to Spanish speakers.
SpaceCowboy
Viva La Raza!
Innocent
QUOTE(underhi2p @ Sep 9 2007, 12:11 PM) [snapback]327215[/snapback]

"The Shills" is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Shillary. The Shills. The Democrats nomination for president in 2008.

"Baby Jesus" is Barack Hussein Obama. Many folk view Baby Jesus as the new Messiah. Baby Jesus is The Shill's running mate.


What comical names do you use to refer to the republican candidates?

smile.gif
Bee
laugh.gif
underhi2p
QUOTE(Innocent @ Sep 9 2007, 03:02 PM) [snapback]327242[/snapback]

What comical names do you use to refer to the republican candidates?

smile.gif

I've only one nickname for republicans.

Lil' Wad for Mitt Romney.

I'm thinking of coming up with a nickname for Ronnie Paul. RP reminds me an awful lot like Dennie Kucinich.

I've thought of incorporating some ideas from inyerface and davis but they're basically all the same; farking doodyhole republicans.

Any ideas or suggestions?


Bee
QUOTE
Edwards' Full Counterterrorism Speech
By Greg Sargent - September 7, 2007, 3:01PM

We've got the full text of the speech for you after the jump.

In addition to proposing CITO, a multilateral organization designed to promote cooperation between countries' counterterrorism operations, Edwards also took an implicit pop at Hillary for saying some time ago that we're safer than we were on 9/11.

"Some running for the Democratic nomination have even argued that the Bush-Cheney approach has made us safer," Edwards said. "It has not."

There's also this pithy line: "We need a counterterrorism policy that will actually counter terrorism."


I liked this part:

QUOTE
Instead of an exclusively short-term focus on the enemy we know, we need a long-term strategy to win the minds of those who are not yet our enemies, by offering education, democracy, and opportunity in place of radicalism, hatred and fear.

Most of all, instead of a reckless, solo pursuit of an ideological agenda that abandons our moral authority and disregards our allies, we need to reengage with the world and reassert our moral leadership.

In a few short days, we will all take time to remember 9/11. This year, we should all make the anniversary not only a time of mourning, but of reflection on the very real choices we face.

We learned on 9/11 the consequences of not dealing with the threat of terrorism. You will have a very real choice to make in this election, and the choice will have consequences. You and your children will have to live with the decisions we make in the next four years.

There is no doubt that some progress has been made. We should thank the professionals who have uncovered plots like the one on John F. Kennedy Airport. Our federal government has been substantially rearranged, and many problems corrected.

But we should not let our enthusiasm for short-term victories cloud the long-term reality. The fact is that George Bush has used 20th century tools to attack 21st century problems. The Bush approach has failed not only because of the shameless political manipulations and reckless decisions of the president and his aides. It has failed because the president is using an antiquated set of weapons against a modern target, and he's misfiring.


http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/edwa...rism_speech.php
hunin
QUOTE(underhi2p @ Sep 9 2007, 03:59 PM) [snapback]327251[/snapback]

I've only one nickname for republicans.

Lil' Wad for Mitt Romney.

I'm thinking of coming up with a nickname for Ronnie Paul. RP reminds me an awful lot like Dennie Kucinich.

I've thought of incorporating some ideas from inyerface and davis but they're basically all the same; farking doodyhole republicans.

Any ideas or suggestions?


Fred: Jerri's Wad.


underhi2p
QUOTE(hunin @ Sep 9 2007, 06:17 PM) [snapback]327273[/snapback]

Fred: Jerri's Wad.



laugh.gif

IPB Image
hunin
Ya think they're actually Leno's kids?

Given the noses, think Jay is Fred's?


Innocent
QUOTE(underhi2p @ Sep 9 2007, 04:59 PM) [snapback]327251[/snapback]

I've only one nickname for republicans.

Lil' Wad for Mitt Romney.


Okay, I'll bite. Why that name?

QUOTE(underhi2p @ Sep 9 2007, 04:59 PM) [snapback]327251[/snapback]
Any ideas or suggestions?


I just call everyone by their given names. That way I don't get confused if I forget my secret decoder ring.

wink.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Innocent @ Sep 9 2007, 08:26 PM) [snapback]327312[/snapback]


Okay, I'll bite. Why that name?



I just call everyone by their given names. That way I don't get confused if I forget my secret decoder ring.

wink.gif


That would never do for the king of sarcasm.
underhi2p
QUOTE(hunin @ Sep 9 2007, 06:37 PM) [snapback]327277[/snapback]

Ya think they're actually Leno's kids?

Given the noses, think Jay is Fred's?



Most definitely.

QUOTE(Innocent @ Sep 9 2007, 10:26 PM) [snapback]327312[/snapback]

Okay, I'll bite. Why that name?
I just call everyone by their given names. That way I don't get confused if I forget my secret decoder ring.

wink.gif



It's not that important.
Bee
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Sep 8 2007, 11:36 AM) [snapback]327026[/snapback]

I'll try that. Thanks. smile.gif
Don't change on my account. wink.gif I forgot about the feature. It works.

ROFLMAO!!!

Awwww, poor wittle human waste.

He gets a taste of what he's dished out for over a year, and his skirt flies up over his wittle head revealing the pink lacey panties he's wearing got all bunched up and twisted.

Coward.

I knew you were, but this is the lamest I've ever seen, you yellow boorish lout. laugh.gif
Russ Logan
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Sep 9 2007, 12:34 PM) [snapback]327232[/snapback]

Democrats to Meet for Spanish Debate
By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer



If this goes out "live" I can see a big issue here. "Lost in Translation" is not just a movie by Bill Murray. As many have noted in other venues - what is actually said in one language may not be what is reported in another. This format is really open to a good deal of abuse.

Besides, does not UNIVISION have a vested interest in keeping Hispanics, their audience, in only using and understanding Spanish and not English? For if Hispanics fully assimilated into US culture - they lose the audience base. And the Democrats might then lose a major corportae donor.

I see no little conflict of interest potential here.

Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Russ Logan @ Sep 10 2007, 10:06 AM) [snapback]327394[/snapback]

If this goes out "live" I can see a big issue here. "Lost in Translation" is not just a movie by Bill Murray. As many have noted in other venues - what is actually said in one language may not be what is reported in another. This format is really open to a good deal of abuse.

Besides, does not UNIVISION have a vested interest in keeping Hispanics, their audience, in only using and understanding Spanish and not English? For if Hispanics fully assimilated into US culture - they lose the audience base. And the Democrats might then lose a major corportae donor.

I see no little conflict of interest potential here.



It's obvious everyone knows where their bread is buttered.
bay
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Sep 10 2007, 07:05 PM) [snapback]327409[/snapback]

It's obvious everyone knows where their bread is buttered.

I'm really offended at this language thing. There have been foreign born people integrated into our communities for - probably - ever. Many women married WWII GI's and came to the US, learned the language, the culture, and became a part of our neighborhoods. We were never asked to learn their language, nor be bi-lingual to apply for local jobs. Now, when English-speaking groups complain (and they are - and I wasn't even part of it) they are told to "attend the local community college - Spanish is taught there."

Several of our local women are German and French by birth. They are a joy to know and although speak with an accent, converse fluently in English. If I went to their country I would expect to learn their language. One of my Granddaughters took several years of French and one several years of German. I don't know why they chose those two particular languages. Although they are not in the local job market, if they were, to be told they must speak Spanish I think is totally outrageous. - In our own country???????? mad.gif

There are two nationalities that have either been 'guided' or for whatever reason, landed here, but when I'm in the stores I might as well be in another country. I have never considered myself prejudiced - and believe all people should be treated with respect. But this situation is getting on my last nerve. mad.gif
underhi2p
QUOTE(bay @ Sep 10 2007, 02:39 PM) [snapback]327422[/snapback]

I'm really offended at this language thing. There have been foreign born people integrated into our communities for - probably - ever. Many women married WWII GI's and came to the US, learned the language, the culture, and became a part of our neighborhoods. We were never asked to learn their language, nor be bi-lingual to apply for local jobs. Now, when English-speaking groups complain (and they are - and I wasn't even part of it) they are told to "attend the local community college - Spanish is taught there."

Several of our local women are German and French by birth. They are a joy to know and although speak with an accent, converse fluently in English. If I went to their country I would expect to learn their language. One of my Granddaughters took several years of French and one several years of German. I don't know why they chose those two particular languages. Although they are not in the local job market, if they were, to be told they must speak Spanish I think is totally outrageous. - In our own country???????? mad.gif

There are two nationalities that have either been 'guided' or for whatever reason, landed here, but when I'm in the stores I might as well be in another country. I have never considered myself prejudiced - and believe all people should be treated with respect. But this situation is getting on my last nerve. mad.gif


Si SeñorIPB Image
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2010 Invision Power Services, Inc.