http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/zwiebelfisch/...,306711,00.html

This area must have been a favorite 'stopping off place' for Germans several generations ago, because there are a LOT of German communities in the nearby towns. I've heard them talk about something - I'm not sure I'm right on this - but I think they said 'high German' and 'low German'. Even if I'm right on what they said, I have no idea what that means.

I have such mixed emotions. I think the Mexican people are neat people, but I think if they chose to live here they should try to become Americans - not convert the American people to Mexican. I think my Dad is turning over in his grave; he would hook up a horse and buggy to take me to school through snow drifts that were nearly 'my head high' because education was important to him. That kind of dedicaiton might come in handy to some of our non-english speaking immigrants.

Whenever immigrants have been able to maintain their 'home traditions' and 'community' even as they are working to become incorporated into the host country, they have. There is also a difference between settler-for-good immigrants and actual or 'in-their-mind-and-hopes' sojourning immigrants.

I am sure you are genuine in your feelings but I doubt that Mexican immigrants to rather rural and not particularly 'pluralistic' parts of this country are actually seeking to 'convert' American people to 'Mexican'.

I do think some Mexicans would like to take back part of the US. They have an Aztlan academy around the corner from me and I swear they must yearning for the old days of pyramids and indian culture. I don't think they even especially care for the Spanish influences in Mexico.

To yearn for something like that, to appreciate it, etc. is not the same as wanting to convert the locals.

In any case, Arizona is not where bay resides. My point was that I doubt Mexican immigrants (many of whom are actual or in-their-mind sojourners) are really contemplating turning Idahoans and Michiganders and Minnesotans and Wyomingians etc from Americans to Mexicans.

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Just why I'm skeptical about the speechifying from northerners on immigration.

I am most skeptical (sorry bay) about the speechifying from folks whose areas of work and residence have been completely immune from the good and bad effects of continuous, steady immigration (legal and illegal) for decades. For decades their representatives in Congress couldn't care less about reimbursing 'receiving' States and localities for the externalities imposed on them (us) on account of the Federal government not doing ITS (and only ITS) job.

It's only NOW that THEIR livelihoods and neighborhoods etc are potentially affected that it has become an issue, a concern, etc.

I can't say I disagree with that. But as one of the younger members of a big family I grew up with rules... rules at home, in church, and in school. I didn't mind them. It gave some organization in a disorganized world. I still like rules.... laws.... and obey them.

My primary gripe is not with immigrants. But there should be an organized way of bringing them in. Otherwise our nation doesn't have a clue who is here; if they plan to stay; if not have they left. With mainframe computers I would think that would NOT be a difficult task. I have copies of the old census forms they hand wrote. We have let BIG BUSINESS dictate our enforcement of our laws and now we have a big mess. While we're at war in Iraq, we have no idea how many 'enemies' are in our very midst. I just think that is crazy.

Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich has said on Syrian TV in Syria that the U.S. presence in Iraq is an illegal occupation and that it was, "based on lies" and "dishonest and crooked from the beginning."

Kucinich is touring the Middle East, which included a stop in Syria where he told a Syrian TV interviewer that he was honored to have the chance to meet with Syrian leader Bashar Assad, whom he said should be "respected and appreciated" for his role as a peacemaker.

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That's the guy I want protecting America. The Syrian candidate.

do you prefer the blacked out news and lies that we get from the administration?

Yes, I am absolutely sure the families of Pierre Gemayel, Gebran Tueni, Samir Kasser, and Rafik Hariri share Mr. Kucinich's assessment of Mr. Assad as such a "peacemaker" - after all, those individuals all share the peace of the grave because of their opposition to Syrian meddling in Lebanon. He's as much of a "peacemaker" as his father.

Mr. Kucinich is simply trying to "make his bones" as a diplomat to someone (in this case a pandering one) since he is a long-shot candidate. To me he just seems woefully ignorant of ground truth in that region.

Just my opinion of course.

he was correct calling the war illegal, that it was, "based on lies" and "dishonest and crooked from the beginning."

A Syrian diplomat.

Let us on this day mourn for those who tragically lost their
lives on 9/11. And let us commit that their lives not be lost in
vain, but become the basis for a new America of peace and
justice. America must regain the moral high ground in our
efforts to recover from 9/11.

Let us not forget the world was with America in our sorrow on
September 11, 2001. The world was prepared to unite with America
in a cooperative effort to challenge terrorists who attempt to
disrupt civil society. Instead, the Administration used 9/11 as
an excuse to attack a nation that did not attack us. Iraq had
nothing to do with 9/11, or with Al Qaeda's role in 9/11. Iraq
did not have the intention or the capability of attacking the
United States. Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction.
Yet the Administration deliberately and falsely conflated 9/11
with Iraq, with the cooperation of an unquestioning media.

As a result, nearly 4,000 of our brave soldiers have lost their
lives, and tens of thousands have been permanently injured in
combat in Iraq. The subsequent occupation has fueled the
insurgency and will continue to result in more troop losses
until the United States leaves. Also, nearly one million
innocent Iraqis have lost their lives as a result of this war.
This violence against an innocent people is a tragedy of immense
proportions. It is also a violation of international law, and
those who authored this war must be held accountable for their
actions.

Americans will spend close to $2 trillion in Iraq by the time
the costs of this war are totaled, but the longer term costs
have included the undermining America's moral authority in the
world, the separation of America from the nations and the
peoples of the world, and the destruction of a domestic agenda
which is being deferred while we borrow money from China to
fight the war in Baghdad.

We need to call those who used 9/11 to take us into war against
Iraq to an accounting under the U.S. Constitution, U.S. law, and
international law. We must soon begin a period of truth and
reconciliation in our own nation. We must have forums of open
dialogue throughout the country where we can come together to
remember who we were before 9/11, to share our personal
narratives of the times when we felt most secure, most in love
with our nation, most trustful of our democratic institutions.
We must recover our capacity for civic action. We must reclaim
our nation. The only way we can do that is to tell the truth.

Dennis Kucinich


sounds pretty dangerous....

Moral high ground= surrender and die.

My foot would like to dialogue with his ass.

send your kids

YOU go fight a nation with no army

go kill for oil control

keep those prices high

You have a gay foot?

we see that you have no moral high ground

and that you believe in killing

what makes you any different from the "enemy"?

He's on our side, for one.

so is Kucinich

Maybe you could be head of the Truth and Reconciliation Committee.

You should give him a call.

so much for "sides"

There's room for a downtown Baghdad rep. I still can't figure out why the more peacefully inclined haven't just gone over and made peace. It's not like Saddam didn't accept visitors, nor is it impossible to find the "terrorists" if you ask around. If the newspapers can get a hearing I'm sure the peaceniks can too.

Maybe we could all join in a world-wide hand-wringing exercise...just to show our support.

handshaking might do the trick

'60s Figure Says He Financed Donor Hsu - Woodstock Creator Tells DA That Funds Have Gone Missing A $40 Million Shortfall


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Where did Norman Hsu get his money?

That has been one of the big questions hanging over the prominent Democratic fund-raiser, as reports have surfaced about hundreds of thousands of dollars he made in political donations, plus lavish parties, fancy apartments and a $2 million bond he posted to get out of jail earlier this month.

New documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal may help point to an answer: A company controlled by Mr. Hsu recently received $40 million from a Madison Avenue investment fund run by Joel Rosenman, who was one of the creators of the Woodstock rock festival in 1969. That money, Mr. Rosenman told investors this week, is missing <.............. Here

You do seem to like the current Saudi pResident.

They say that 80% of the foreign fighters are from Saudi Arabia. Not Iran. Our friends the Saudis.

Hi Bee! Seems like I never left. Same people making the same points. Over and over and over. What's new???

This thread was about the candidates so I guess I'll say that I like Biden more than any of the others. I still wish there was someone else, but I guess we have to take what we're given. Biden is the only one who makes much sense. At least to me. I like Huckabee better than Fred Thompson, but I wouldn't vote for him anyway.

Politics doesn't change much. Glad to see you up and around the net.

I thought it was about time to check what was happening here. Doesn't appear any minds were changed or even any new thoughts. Seems a shame for all the effort put forth. Lots of sound and fury, no answers or solutions. I guess that's because there are none.

Good to hear from you, ma'am. Hope time is helping.

Yes, the questions are tough, and most of the solutions are painful. So change is not simple.

That said, Election 2008 will decidely change things. Notably The Fiasco. AFT.

Not many everyone will agree on. Time to go smack some tennis balls around and forget about bad news. Everyone has been sending good thoughts your way.

Kucinich/Paul 2008!!

Great to see you back Sherry!


We saved you some popcorn from the US attorney firing hearings.

Hi SherryB. Nice to see you back.

Biden is my 'sensible' choice, as well. Kucinich, as usual, is my preferred Democratic candidate. I know, I don't bet on horses, either.

Hey there.

Nothing new ma'am.

Why anyone in the Middle Cass ISN'T supporting Edwards is beyond me.

Maybe he could establish commissions to place safety standards on haircuts, shaves and other rash personal choices confronting the unsuspecting consumer...should then become a quick lefty darling.

I watched all the Gonzo hearings. What a maroon he is. Sen. Reid said Olson will not be confirmed, so it looks like we'll have another R vs D fight, I'll be glad when we have the 60 or more Dem Senators and a Dem President so we can finally stop fighting and get the country fixed.

NS. It's been too long. The faster we can get Republicans out of the government the better off we and the whole world will be.

I like everything he says, it's all true. I don't think he's electable. The moderates, the middle-ground voters see him as too far to the left. Although you and I both agree with his stands, you must admit we both are pretty far to the left of the spectrum.




I think people will get Hilary/Obama fatigue by the time they actually focus on the elections. By then the war will be even more a fiasco. At least Biden has been consistent in his call for a soft partition, for years now. I voted for Biden over Clinton in his first election. He isn't a NWO globalist. I hope for the best.

Hey hey!

SherryB -7.88/-4.41.
Bee -4.88/-4.26

Our political compass score.

Given that the furthest "right-est" scores are: 8.0 (cal wurden) / 3.82 (Judy)
The "left-est" scores are: -9.0 (Bix) / -7.95 (rustyfeasal)

I feel quite comfy in the middle somewhere. As I tend to agree wth you mostly, suggests we should both reatke the test one of these days.

Yea... I like it... but make it Paul/Kucinich.

Paul?

Uh, no. Whereas he's way better than any Rep, he's nowhere near as good as any Dem

Libertarians are cracked, usually.

Edwards is plenty electable. He's the only WASP running on the Dem side.

I'm likin' Edwards more and more... uhh, hopefully I'm not too stupid, but what's "WASP"?

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