For 2 amendment rights?

Yep. Bud Cramer.

He's had it made getting elected. A few years ago he seemed to be headed the wrong way so we ran a strong repug against him and he almost got beat. He came back into line easily after that.

Biden I guess. He seems to have more knowledge at his fingertips and articulates well. I don't always agree with him of course, but he has done quite a bit of work across party lines.

http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?A...114011/1001/rss
Spitzer drops plan to issue driving licenses to illegal immigrants
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WASHINGTON — New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer said today he was abandoning a plan to issue driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, but said that the federal government had "lost control'' of its borders and left states to deal with the consequences.

"I have concluded that New York state cannot successfully address this problem on its own,'' Spitzer said at a news conference, flanked by members of the state's Congressional delegation.

Spitzer said overwhelming public opposition led to his decision.

The governor introduced the plan with the goal of increased security, safer roads and an opportunity to bring immigrants "out of the shadows.'' Opponents charged Spitzer would make it easier for would-be terrorists to get identification, and make the country less safe. Many New Yorkers agreed with them.

http://www.steinreport.com/archives/2007_11_01.html
November 01, 2007
Immigration Could be Democrats Achilles Heel in 2008
"In a result that few expected, Republican Jim Ogonowski, a retired U.S. Airforce officer, came within a few percentage points (51% to 45%) of defeating Democrat Niki Tsongas, widow of revered Massachusetts Sen. and 1992 Democratic presidential hopeful Paul Tsongas. Pundits and pols agree that Ogonowski’s stronger-than-thought-possible showing was directly related to his sharp difference with Tsongas on the issue of illegal immigration -- particularly whether illegal immigrants should have driver’s licenses," says Mac Johnson. "Within days of the Bay State race, others on the national scene began to recognize that illegal immigration is a potent issue for Republicans that presents a great danger to the supposedly rosy Democratic prospects for ’08. As Rep. Rahm Emmanuel (D.-Ill.), a past chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, told the Washington Post: 'The issue has real implications for the country. It captures all the American people’s anger and frustration, not only with immigration but with the economy.'"

I figured.

YES

Wasn't he awesome. Probably the only one on the stage that can whip up on the Republicans.

One thing that I don't think the Democratic candidates have realized - Illegal Immigration is at a boiling point in this country. Look what happened to McCain and Spitzer. HC also took a hit. Tonight Obama and Richardson both said they had encouraged it in their states. HC has changed her stand so many times it's not believable. That leaves Kucinich, Biden, Dodd, and Edwards. Out of that group, the only one I feel safe with at this point in our various wars would be Biden.

In the debates he doesn't hem and haw around like most of them. I gotta admire that at least.

Of course I only ever vote for one democrat and that's our congressman. We've got him in the bag.

Biden knows how to work the system. That could be a plus.

In the debates he doesn't hem and haw around like most of them.

http://www.steinreport.com/archives/2007_11_01.html

A VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT = A VOTE FOR AMNESTY!
Posted by: American Me on November 1, 2007 12:54 PM


The presidential candidate who speaks up for the American public and against illegal immigration in all ways, is the one who will be elected. We need someone with a backbone who will stand up to Mexico and say, "no mas," then start enforcing laws that state they shouldn't be here at all. Right now, Bush is on TV repeating his thoughts on the Iraq war and how we should fight for the people of that country to have democracy. Why is there never a word uttered about our own war here at home? He has stayed silent while every day we have thousand who sneak into our nation. The reward for turning a blind eye must be truly great - greater than an oath of office, a love of country and a leader to the people of the USA, not Mexico!

Posted by: June on November 1, 2007 01:06 PM

They have to remember the polling numbers and answer accordingly. Sometimes I wonder if Hillary wouldn't have done a lot better in the primary just admitting she's a lefty and going with it. She may not live to take advantage of her triangulating.

Now I've got to go back to see if there is anything he is for that I am opposed to - or vice versa. Unless I find something really bad I think Biden is my man.

I wonder if there will be any more 'free thinking Americans' who will join our opinion. I can only hope.

Okay not Kucinich.

In the CNN debate folow up coverage David Gerson claimed that Hillary had gotten Spitzer to drop the licenses for illegals program in order to reduce heat on her and the other dem candidates. Must be nice to have friends in high places.

If you want to vote, you jump through the hoops that make it possible for you to do that.

(I'm laughting as I post this....
But the problem is that some of them have a whole billfold full of ID's. I wonder if they can vote on every one of those.

Sen. Hillary Clinton stepped into the ring Thursday in this city known for prize fights, successfully beating back an onslaught of punches thrown from the left and right as her opponents sought to rattle the front-runner seven weeks before the Iowa caucuses.




Clinton, who entered this Democratic debate vulnerable following a lackluster performance two weeks ago, came out fighting in the first round.

For the New York Democrat, a good defense was a strong offense, and she sought to silence her critics who stood just feet away.

"I don't mind taking hits on my record, on issues," she said. "But when somebody starts throwing mud, at least we can hope that it's both accurate and not right out of the Republican playbook."

Sen. Barack Obama and former Sen. John Edwards each tried to set the tone early when asked to explain their criticisms of Clinton, such as their charges that she is unwilling to answer difficult questions. See how CNN's political team rated the debaters »

"Sen. Clinton, I think, is a capable politician, and I think that she has run a terrific campaign," Obama said. "But what the American people are looking for right now is straight answers to tough questions, and that is not what we've seen out of Sen. Clinton on a host of issues, on the issue of drivers' licenses for illegal immigrants."

Edwards knocked Clinton for her stance on Iraq and Social Security and tried to hammer home his claim that she is part of the problem in Washington. Watch rivals, audience focus attention on front-runner »

"The most important issue is she says she will bring change to Washington, while she continues to defend a system that does not work, that is broken, that is rigged and is corrupted against the interest of most Americans and corrupted for a very small, very powerful, very well-financed group," he said.

In the lead-up to the debate, Clinton's campaign had accused the other contenders -- the "all boys club" -- of "piling on" and attacking her. Even though the senator's husband, former President Bill Clinton, had echoed this same sentiment, she denied it was a calculated attempt to play the "gender card."

"I understand very well that people are not attacking me because I'm a woman," she said. "They're attacking me because I'm ahead."...

Biden I guess. He seems to have more knowledge at his fingertips and articulates well. I don't always agree with him of course, but he has done quite a bit of work across party lines.

"I don't mind taking hits on my record, on issues," she said. "But when somebody starts throwing mud, at least we can hope that it's both accurate and not right out of the Republican playbook."

If anyone is a Republican clone who is quite comfortable with mudslinging it would this beotch.

Biden knows how to work the system. That could be a plus.

Now even davis is calling Hillary a beocth.

Next it will be a McCain Supporter.

I watched the last 40 minutes or so of that debate and it was pretty much SOS/SOP in my book. Daimonds or pearls was probably the highlight.

Biden I guess. He seems to have more knowledge at his fingertips and articulates well. I don't always agree with him of course, but he has done quite a bit of work across party lines.

Have you heard Karl Rove is being hired by Newsweek for election commentary?

So much for Newsweek and NBC. They can go straight to hell with Karl.

That's presuming illegal aliens who may chance voting vote differently from yourself.

It's an interesting spin, but clearly, IMHO, one is more clearly disenfranchised if one is prevented from voting, than one is by assuming that someone who may not be eligible to vote may vote differently than yourself. There is no question that if you are prevented from voting you are disenfranchised. It is unclear if you are disenfranchised if some who is ineligible votes. It could just as easily mean that your own vote was enhanced.

I watched about five minutes.

1.*** Crissie Dodd was chatting about how wonderful globalization was and then pretended to be angry about China's import of lead-tainted paint and poisonous toothpaste and whatnot and how Bush should have shut China's imports down.

2. *** Then Obama went on a lecture about nothing, repeating nothing and saying nothing.

3.*** Then Joey Biden, the Democrats' useless idiot, exploded on how he can't believe he's standing with such imcompetent idiots when all that needs to be done is work with the WTO and shut China down.

While local elections may be over- the 2008 presidential race is only just beginning.

A poll released yesterday shows New York Senator Hilary Rodham Clinton has more support in Southern Atlantic states than all of her Democratic presidential rivals combined. Additionally, the Associated Press reports Clinton has the support of 45 adult voters in the region. Compare that to the 17 percent who said they’d vote for Illinois Senator Barack Obama and 11 percent who support North Carolina’s John Edwards.

The poll, conducted by Elon University, found that only 19 percent of Democratic voters are undecided in the 2008 White House race. 1,374 adults in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Virginia were surveyed over the past two weeks.


The Associated Press reports Rudy Giuliani leads Republicans with 25 percent voter support. He’s followed by Fred Thompson with 16 percent and Mitt Romney with 12 percent. Nearly 20 percent of Republican voters are undecided.



36 percent of the poll’s respondents favor Democrats while 35 percent favor Republicans. Nearly 25 percent of voters are undecided as to which party they’ll support next year.



83 percent of voters say a candidate’s view on the Iraq war will directly influence their vote. Other concerns expressed by voters in the survey are the economy, terrorism and security, healthcare costs and immigration.

Huh? I've never liked her. she would be a terrible candidate. I've always thought she was a beotch.

Drudge --

WOLF TURNS 'LAMB'; CLINTON CAMPAIGN
SAYS CNN HOST 'OUTSTANDING'

CNN debate moderator Wolf Blitzer did an 'outstanding' job in Vegas,
a senior adviser to the Hillary campaign said early Friday. 'He was
outstanding, and did not gang up like Russert did in Philadelphia. He
avoided the personal attacks, remained professional and ran the
best debate so far. Voters were the big winners last night.'

A rival campaign insider charges: 'Wolf turned into a lamb.
No follow-up question on Clinton's huge flip on drivers licenses?'

What I cannot understand with most of these Democrat candidates is there blindness to United States Law. In a country that prides its self on 'Rule of Law' how can they tolorate ANY action that does not follow that.

God damn. <shakes head>

Bay, they don't think it's fair that Republicans should purge and scam people out of their right to vote!!


HOW MANY TIMES DOES THIS HAVE TO BE SAID!!!!????

Jesus H. Christ, clean out yer fargin ears!

PS: if this standard were applied to Republicans they'd be tried as war criminals.

I've been saying for years that Biden would make a strong candidate. Here, on this forum.

I've been saying for years that Biden would make a strong candidate. Here, on this forum.

In a weak field he looks particularly good. At least he has some knowledge of foreign affairs and doesn't come off as weak as Richardson, the other person with experience.

Richardson did come off as weak last night.

What I cannot understand with most of these Democrat candidates is there blindness to United States Law. In a country that prides its self on 'Rule of Law' how can they tolorate ANY action that does not follow that.

Richardson did come off as weak last night.

I thought Biden did real good, considering the time he got. He's got my vote. I voted for him when Clinton won the primary years ago. I still think he's the best of the bunch.

Hey you.