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Rene
If you use Jiffy Lube you might consider looking elsewhere or watch what services they really do to your car after you see this NBC video.

The report is on being charged for services not performed. In this report, 5 out of 9 Jiffy Lubes in California charged the investigative reporters for services not performed. They used hidden mini cameras and the marking of old parts to reveal the scams. It also shows a District Manager denying he’s a District Manager in front of the cameras.

Lots of fun and informative.

Jiffy Lube

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Here's the written version.

NBC4 Jiffy Lube Report
Bart Katz
Link no worky right.
Rene
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Jun 16 2006, 09:39 AM) [snapback]213668[/snapback]

Link no worky right.

Trying to find a better link that doesn't also offer less consumer oriented videos....well I suppose they're consumers too. How about less investigative reporting videos? smile.gif
beasty
Worked for me. I love these stings. I remember the 60 minutes deal where they caught people trying to sell all sorts of work for a loose spark plug wire.

And one of those Jiffy Lubes is right here in Canoga Park. sad.gif
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Rene @ Jun 16 2006, 11:44 AM) [snapback]213670[/snapback]

Trying to find a better link that doesn't also offer less consumer oriented videos....well I suppose they're consumers too. How about less investigative reporting videos? smile.gif


I can see it's a You tube link, but it goes to a tech page.

California has had lots problems with car service scams over the years. Back in the 70's and 80's they were catching major tire company service stores doing unnecessary work and not doing work at all and charging.
Arturo_Vandelay
Youtube is great. I found things there I've wanted to see for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1J7d2ssc3Y...echanic%20steal

Worked fine for me.
Rene
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Jun 16 2006, 09:47 AM) [snapback]213672[/snapback]

I can see it's a You tube link, but it goes to a tech page.

California has had lots problems with car service scams over the years. Back in the 70's and 80's they were catching major tire company service stores doing unnecessary work and not doing work at all and charging.

Yeah. Right about the time ya start dropping your guard, another sting, scam, computer hacking or maliciou virus alert goes out. Way too many folks out there that believe they'll never get caught with no respect or regard for the law, its consequences or people. dry.gif

These crooks repaid the investigative reporters. What about the other undisclosed folks they ripped off? I'd say the Attorney General for California should pursue them. mad.gif
beasty
QUOTE(Rene @ Jun 16 2006, 09:53 AM) [snapback]213675[/snapback]

Yeah. Right about the time ya start dropping your guard, another sting, scam, computer hacking or maliciou virus alert goes out. Way too many folks out there that believe they'll never get caught with no respect or regard for the law, its consequences or people. dry.gif

These crooks repaid the investigative reporters. What about the other undisclosed folks they ripped off? I'd say the Attorney General for California should pursue them. mad.gif


It can't get much worse than the district manager lying about his identity. 1 or 2 of 9 would be bad enough. 5 of 9 makes it seem like company policy.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Rene @ Jun 16 2006, 11:53 AM) [snapback]213675[/snapback]

Yeah. Right about the time ya start dropping your guard, another sting, scam, computer hacking or maliciou virus alert goes out. Way too many folks out there that believe they'll never get caught with no respect or regard for the law, its consequences or people. dry.gif

These crooks repaid the investigative reporters. What about the other undisclosed folks they ripped off? I'd say the Attorney General for California should pursue them. mad.gif


Another popular scam was to take old shocks and repaint them to look like new, then sell the customer on new shocks, then install the old painted ones. They just kept recycling the shocks at almost no cost.
Rene
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Jun 16 2006, 09:58 AM) [snapback]213678[/snapback]

Another popular scam was to take old shocks and repaint them to look like new, then sell the customer on new shocks, then install the old painted ones. They just kept recycling the shocks at almost no cost.

To borrow a local commerical's wit: Give em THIRTY DAYS IN THE ELECTRIC CHAIR!!!!!! dry.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
A commercial wit destined to stay local.

When I find a decent mechanic I stick with them if at all possible. Even if you pay a few bucks more for something simple, at least you know it gets done.
Rene
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 16 2006, 11:07 AM) [snapback]213696[/snapback]

A commercial wit destined to stay local.

When I find a decent mechanic I stick with them if at all possible. Even if you pay a few bucks more for something simple, at least you know it gets done.

Actually, anymore, if my shade tree mechanic skills, or body, ain't up to the task anymore. I suck up the extra and take it to the dealer. Their records also help with any extended warranty claims. smile.gif

But my wife and daughters just want fast, convenient and cheap service. Yeah, I let them see this link too.

We've already experience a local Tire Chain franchise that offers oil changes with FREE Inspections bring my daughter to tears with over a thousand dollars of needed immediate repairs or her car would explode killing her and half of Tucson. They even told her they couldn't give her her car back. I went down there with her and once they saw a guy, surrendered the car immediately suggesting she get the discrepancies corrected as soon as possible. I replaced the two old fan belts, two hoses, air filter, fuel filter and had a franchise brake outfit inspect and replace two brake pads all for under a quarter of their estimate.

Go figure. What if her dad hadn't been an old shade tree mechanic? dry.gif
Spot
Mechanics try to pull one over on women all the time. I "accidentally" leave my .38 on the dash, and get pretty good service. smile.gif

Wearing something low cut and bending over the engine compartment doesn't hurt either.
Rene
QUOTE(Spot @ Jun 16 2006, 11:37 AM) [snapback]213720[/snapback]

Mechanics try to pull one over on women all the time. I "accidentally" leave my .38 on the dash, and get pretty good service. smile.gif

Wearing something low cut and bending over the engine compartment doesn't hurt either.

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Rene
WITH CELLPHONE COMPANIES CHARGING A BUCK OR MORE IT IS
WORTHWHILE PROGRAMMING INTO YOUR CELL PHONE.


When you need to use the 411 / information option, simply dial
1 800 FREE 411 or 1 800 373 3411 without incurring a charge at
all except for the minutes required to make the call.

Works on home phone also.


Checked at:
Snope.com
Arturo_Vandelay
Cool. I have a friend that pays quite a bit to look up numbers by 411.
Rene
Here's an interesting idea passed on to me that I hadn't thought of although it only works on alarmed models and not on bikes. smile.gif

Keep your car keys on the night stand next to your bed at night. If
someone tries to break into your house, or if you hear a suspicious
noise outside your house, just press the panic alarm on your car. It
will go off from most everywhere inside your house and keep honking
until your battery runs down or until you reset it with the button on
the key chain. This "alarm" costs you nothing and the results are an
effective way to chase away would-be intruders.

TRAVELERS: This tactic will work to drive away intruders to your
motel room if your room happens to be adjacent to your parked car!


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Arturo_Vandelay
Good idea. Now all I need is a car alarm. smile.gif

With my wife's sleazy boyfriend around I keep something a little more potent on the nightstand lately.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jul 14 2006, 11:10 AM) [snapback]220333[/snapback]

Good idea. Now all I need is a car alarm. smile.gif

With my wife's sleazy boyfriend around I keep something a little more potent on the nightstand lately.

Drop that Viagra and put your hands behind your head!
Rene
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NFAN Alerts Consumers to Credit Repair Scams

NewswireToday - /newswire/ - Dallas, TX, United States, 08/03/2006 - Executives at NFAN warn consumers about credit repair scams and provide tips on disputing credit report errors without paying for outside help.

Executives at the National Financial Awareness Network, a Dallas-based financial literacy company, are encouraging consumers to become familiar with credit repair regulations and avoid credit repair scams.

Two federal laws, the Credit Repair Organizations Act and the Fair Credit Reporting Act, dictate what a credit repair organization must, can and cannot do. For example, CROA requires credit repair organizations to provide prospective clients with a copy of the “Consumer Credit File Rights Under State and Federal Law” before signing a service contract. All credit repair contracts must also be in writing and must spell out the consumer’s rights and obligations such as payment terms, detailed description of services and any guarantees.

NFAN President John Janney warns consumers against advertisements from companies claiming to completely erase bad credit, create a new credit identity or remove legitimate credit marks like bankruptcy or liens.

“Some advertisements lead people to believe that a credit repair company can get all negative marks removed from their credit report, even if those marks are accurate,” said Janney. “Credit bureaus are not required to remove accurate information, so consumers should be suspicious when they see such credit-cleaning claims.”

Janney explained that the Fair Credit Reporting Act gives consumers the right to access their credit report and dispute inaccurate information with each credit bureau. The FCRA also requires credit bureaus to respond to disputes in a timely manner and to remove inaccurate or unverified information from credit reports. Credit bureaus also provide online dispute forms that make filing disputes easy for consumers.

“Anyone can get one free credit report per year from each of the three credit bureaus, review the reports to make sure all the information is correct and then file a dispute if the consumer finds an error,” Janney continued. “The FCRA gives consumers the power to do this themselves, without the need to hire a professional credit repair company.”

Consumers can get their free annual credit reports by calling 1-877-322-8228 or going to annualcreditreport.com and can dispute credit report errors through each of the credit bureaus’ websites: Equifax.com, Experian.com and TransUnion.com.

Janney also explained that advertisements for creating a new credit identity may actually be promoting illegal credit repair scams and, according to the Better Business Bureaus’ website, consumers who follow illegal advice and commit fraud “may be subject to prosecution.”


Source: National Financial Awareness Network, Inc.
beasty
One scam begets another. sad.gif
Rene
This has been going around for some time now and I have read this before but it's worth posting here and has some informative links.


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On Monday night (July 22), Steve Wilson, an investigative reporter for channel 7 News in Detroit, did a story on generic drug price gouging by pharmacies. He found in his investigation, that some of these generic drugs were marked up as much as 3,000% or more. Yes, that's not a typo . . . three thousand percent!

Mr. Wilson did a thorough research, and checked out all the major drugstore chains, discount chains, independent pharmacies, and even checked on some Canadian pharmacies. So often, we blame the drug companies for the high cost of drugs, and usually rightfully so. But in this case, the fault clearly lies with the pharmacies themselves.

For example, if you had to buy a prescription drug, and bought the name brand, you might pay $100 for 100 pills. The pharmacist might tell you that if you get the generic equivalent, they would only cost $80, making you think you are "saving" $20. What the pharmacist is not telling you is that those 100 generic pills may have only cost him $10!

At the end of the report, one of the anchors asked Mr. Wilson whether or not there were any pharmacies that did not adhere to this practice, and he said that Costco consistently charged little over their cost for the generic drugs. They gave the link to Costco, which I will include here, so that you can go and check prices for yourself. www.costco.com Costco Online pharmacy

I went to the Costco site, where you can look up any drug, and get it's online price. It says that the in-store prices are consistent with the online prices. I was appalled. Just to give you one example from my own experience, I had to use the drug, Compazine, which helps prevent nausea in chemo patients. I used the generic equivalent, which cost $54.99 for 60 pills at CVS. I checked the price at Costco, and I could have bought 100 pills for $19.89. For 145 of my pain pills, I paid $72.57. I could have got 150 at Costco for $28.08.

I would like to mention, that although Costco is a "membership" type store, you do NOT have to be a member to buy prescriptions there, as it is a federally regulated substance. You just tell them at the door that you wish to use the pharmacy, and they will let you in.

Origins: As the popularity of the original e-mail attests, the fact that one can find a wide disparity in drug prices from one pharmacy to the next was apparently surprising news to many people. And there's probably some truth to the notion that because we tend to view generic drugs as great "money-saving" alternatives to brand drugs, we often don't consider that the mark-up on generics can vary widely from one retailer to the next.

The basic facts laid out in the message quoted above are true. Steve Wilson, a reporter with WXYZ-TV in Detroit, conducted an investigative study into the cost of generic drugs at various pharmacies and other retail drug outlets and found quite a disparity between the highest and lowest prices charged for certain generic drugs. For example, the Prescription Drug Price Comparison Chart available in conjunction with Wilson's report shows that a one-month supply of Fluoxetine HCL (the generic for Prozac), which wholesales for $1.48, varied in retail price from a high of $92.24 to a low of $9.69 just within the Detroit area.

Comparison shopping applies to generic drugs just as much as it does to food, clothing, DVDs, automobiles, or any other product. Those willing to do some hunting around get the best prices, and many drug comparison sites are available on the web to help consumers compare the costs of various drugs at different retail outlets before submitting their prescriptions (although medical insurance or HMO restrictions may limit which pharmacies a covered patient can use). Price differences between pharmacies can't necessarily be chalked up to nothing more than mere greed, however some pharmacies offer additional levels of service (such as staying open 24 hours a day) and have to recoup the costs of those additional services by charging higher prices.

Although we can't guarantee that Costco always has the lowest prices on generic drugs, it is generally true that their pharmacy will fill prescriptions for non-members (but be prepared to pay by cash or ATM card rather than check).

Later versions of this message had the following table added to the beginning:

BIG RIP-OFF

The Cost of Prescription Drugs

Did you ever wonder how much it costs a drug company for the active ingredient in prescription medications? Some people think it must cost a lot, since many drugs sell for more than $2.00 per tablet. We did a search of offshore chemical synthesizers that supply the active ingredients found in drugs approved by the FDA. As we have revealed in past issues of Life Extension, a significant percentage of drugs sold in the United States contain active ingredients made in other countries.

In our independent investigation of how much profit drug companies really make, we obtained the actual price of active ingredients used in some of the most popular drugs sold in America. The chart below speaks for itself.

Brand Drug------Consumer Price/100 tabs--Cost of Active Ingredients--Percent Markup

Celebrex 100 mg--------$130.27----------------$0.60----------------------21,712%
Claritin 10 mg-----------$215.17-----------------$0.71---------------------30,306%
Keflex 250 mg-----------$157.39-----------------$1.88----------------------8,372%
Lipitor 20 mg-------------$272.37-----------------$5.80----------------------4,696%
Norvasc 10 mg-----------$188.29-----------------$0.14-------------------134,493%
Paxil 20 mg---------------$220.27-----------------$7.60----------------------2,898%
Prevacid 30 mg------------$44.77-----------------$1.01--------------------34,136%
Prilosec 20 mg------------$360.97-----------------$0.52--------------------69,417%
Prozac 20 mg-------------$247.47-----------------$0.11------------------ 224,973%
Tenormin 50 mg----------$104.47-----------------$0.13-------------------80,362%
Vasotec 10 mg------------$102.37-----------------$0.20-------------------51,185%
Xanax 1mg----------------$136.79-----------------$0.024----------------569,958%
Zestril 20 mg--------------$89.89------------------$3.20--------------------2,809%
Zithromax 600mg-----$1,482.19------------------$18.78-------------------7,892%
Zocor 40mg--------------$350.27------------------$8.63--------------------4,059%
Zoloft 50mg--------------$206.87------------------$1.75------------------11,821%

This chart has little relevance (other than an inflammatory one), as far more goes into the retail pricing of drugs than the raw cost of their active ingredients. Pharmaceutical companies expend money on the research and development costs of creating the drugs, plus the overhead costs of manufacturing, marketing, and shipping them; as well, pharmacies must sell drugs for more than their wholesale prices in order to cover the overhead costs of store operations (including pharmacists' salaries).

Here is an article relating to this.

Article
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Rene
Just got a letter this past week from OnStar/GM advising me that they would no longer be supporting my OnStar unit, as of 1/1/08, on my 2002 GM due to it being an analog unit and a recent FCC ruling not requiring cell phone companies to maintain analog coverage. GM is claiming it can't upgrade or make upgrade kits for the analog unit it sold me as an option in 2002 but are making an upgrade kit for the analog/digital units. It's a bunch of BS considering that the only issue is the analog cell phone circuitry being replaced by digital circuitry either as a board replacement or a new module which some would be willing to buy. I suppose the profit marging isn't as great as with a new car.

Think of all those thousands of pre-2003 GM cars with the analog OnStars that are still out there or being owned or purchased second hand with no idea that the OnStar unit isn't a safety plus as advertized and that it'll instead be a useless bit of extra weight to haul around come 2008. Then again, GM IS probably thinking about them since their letter also informed me that there are many 2006 and 2007 GM models available with the digital only units. Think they want another crack at my checkbook?

War has begun. I've already started with a letter to the editor that was published and now follow up with a string to letters to my congressonal representatives. I usually get good reponses from Jon Kyles office although I don't expect much since he's not part of the old guard yet, but what the heck, can't gripe without trying first.

I think back to when the staellite receiver companies were ordered by the feds, and complied, to upgrade descramblers on the heel of an encryption format change. Why wouldn't the same apply here but under public safety?dry.gif
Rene
I know I double posted but wanted to get this out.

I got this this past week from TOPGLOCK, an outfit in Phoenix, AZ, where I purchased some tritium sights for my Glock. Doing a careful read of what these folks highlighted and it IS troublesome.

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Yet Another "Assault" On Your 2nd Amendment Rights...

In 2004 the United States Congress rightly allowed the so-called "Assault Weapons Ban" to sunset after 10 years in law. It seems that the wisdom of the 2004 congress has been forgotten. On February 13, 2007, HR 1022 or the Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2007 was introduced by Representative Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY). This bill (now in committee) proposes to permanently reinstate the 1994 ban and add even more draconian provisions; essentially banning all rifles not traditionally used for hunting or sport and high-capacity (or FULL capacity) magazines. Even more disturbing is the fact that, at his/her sole discretion, the United States Attorney General can determine the classification (therefore legality) of any firearm.

We at TGSCOM are obviously appalled at the lengths that some of our elected officials will go to erode, or in some cases destroy, our rights afforded to us by the 2nd Amendment. It's time that we are heard. We urge you to contact your elected representatives and let them know that this proposed ban is an affront to the law abiding citizens that choose to safely and legally own firearms.

Following are some excerpts from HR1022 that we find particularly troubling:

SEC. 7. STRENGTHENING THE BAN ON THE POSSESSION OR TRANSFER OF A LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE.
(a) Ban on Transfer of Semiautomatic Assault Weapon With Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device-
(1) IN GENERAL- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after subsection (y) the following:
(z) It shall be unlawful for any person to transfer any assault weapon with a large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.
...
SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS.
(a) In General- Section 921(a)(30) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended to read as follows:
(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following
(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:
...
`(ii) AR-10;
`(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
...
`(v) Calico Liberty;
...
`(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
...
`(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
`(xi) M1 Carbine;
`(xii) Saiga;
...
`(xviii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
...
`(D) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine, and that has--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a threaded barrel;
`(iii) a pistol grip;
`(iv) a forward grip; or
`(v) a barrel shroud.
...
`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'....

SEC. 5. REPEAL OF CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS.
Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `(3)' and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following:
`( 3 ) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that--
`( A ) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action;
`( B ) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or
`( C ) is an antique firearm.'.

Read the full text here: H.R. 1022
beasty
QUOTE(Rene @ Feb 27 2007, 10:43 AM) [snapback]286417[/snapback]



Think of all those thousands of pre-2003 GM cars with the analog OnStars that are still out there or being owned or purchased second hand with no idea that the OnStar unit isn't a safety plus as advertized and that it'll instead be a useless bit of extra weight to haul around come 2008. Then again, GM IS probably thinking about them since their letter also informed me that there are many 2006 and 2007 GM models available with the digital only units. Think they want another crack at my checkbook?




Overtaken by events. I always figured OnStar was a little overpriced. I guess this makes it really overpriced. At least there is some prior warning.

I guess their current profit is more important than what is left of their good name.
BrooklynBill
Speaking of scams, why does everyone have a friend or relative that, for one reason or another, gets involved in a pyramid scheme? Why? I need to analyze this.
Arturo_Vandelay
My wife's sales job was like that. You sell door to door, and try to get 5 people under you to get a bonus, but you can never keep 5 people on at a time, so you're always working your ass off and never QUITE making the big money. My buddy did Amway about like that. They make it so you're always ALMOST ready to make more money than just what you earn alone, but the people at the top make money from day one.
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Nov 3 2007, 05:52 AM) *
My wife's sales job was like that. You sell door to door, and try to get 5 people under you to get a bonus, but you can never keep 5 people on at a time, so you're always working your ass off and never QUITE making the big money. My buddy did Amway about like that. They make it so you're always ALMOST ready to make more money than just what you earn alone, but the people at the top make money from day one.


Dude...

Amway is a cult. I had someone bring me to a "meeting" in college. My friend said he was going to a millionaire. I think he lasted a month or two.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (TruthTrekker @ Nov 2 2007, 11:01 PM) *
Dude...

Amway is a cult. I had someone bring me to a "meeting" in college. My friend said he was going to a millionaire. I think he lasted a month or two.


My old roomie had a picture of the car he was going to earn with Amway pinned up by the door. For a long time we had to avoid him because we knew what was coming. It's bad enough getting a sales pitch for one God, try 100 different cleaning products.

He finally gave up on it so we could hang out together again.
Human Ills
QUOTE (TruthTrekker @ Nov 2 2007, 09:41 PM) *
Speaking of scams, why does everyone have a friend or relative that, for one reason or another, gets involved in a pyramid scheme? Why? I need to analyze this.

There aren't enough well paying jobs to go around?
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Nov 3 2007, 10:12 PM) *
There aren't enough well paying jobs to go around?

I'm sure that's part of it.

Plus these schemes often depend on networking among friends who trust each other, who might otherwise might not get involved.

An acquaintance of mine "invested " $10,000 in an African gold mine project because he had gotten religion and trusted the scammers as Christians. The outcome was what you or I would have expected from a Nigerian e-mail.
Nomarchy
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Nov 3 2007, 08:12 PM) *
There aren't enough well paying jobs to go around?


That don't require bend-over flexibility and some form of credential. Apparently, most of the 1990s rather robust job growth was concentrated at the ends of the 'job quality by earnings' deciles.
Nomarchy
Just FYI. The Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged is history.

I will treasure mine, even though I've had to take it in five times or so before the Check Engine Light finally came off for good.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Dec 9 2007, 03:56 PM) *
Just FYI. The Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged is history.

I will treasure mine, even though I've had to take it in five times or so before the Check Engine Light finally came off for good.

No more supercharged versions, or what?

I'm glad you are enjoying yours.
Nomarchy
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Dec 9 2007, 02:18 PM) *
No more supercharged versions, or what?

I'm glad you are enjoying yours.


No, apparently they're going to offer a turbo-charged SS late 2008. Something to the effect that the SC version wouldn't meet the 2008 emissions standards, or something.

I am hitting 12 psi of boost lately, and it's rocking my world.

Trying to save cash to, perhaps, have enough to do a proper (old-fashioned) mortgage, given the lowering prices. So, as much as I would like and (actually) can afford the Stage 2 upgrade, I still think of it as 'frivolous'. Give me some time, though.

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Bart Katz
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Dec 9 2007, 05:18 PM) *
No more supercharged versions, or what?

I'm glad you are enjoying yours.


Supercharged version had trouble meeting 2008 emissions standard.

http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/13169/...ged-killed.html
Nomarchy
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Dec 9 2007, 02:49 PM) *
Supercharged version had trouble meeting 2008 emissions standard.

http://www.caranddriver.com/carnews/13169/...ged-killed.html


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Something to the effect that the SC version wouldn't meet the 2008 emissions standards, or something.


GMTA, and all that good stuff.
Nomarchy
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/12403...percharged.html

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The Cobalt SS Supercharged is the Saturn Ion Red Line’s mechanical kissing cousin, but tuning differences imbue them with different personalities. For one thing, the Cobalt feels longer and heavier, and its dogged sense of straight-ahead makes it a better long-distance interstate cruiser. Speaking of which, its rear seat will accommodate three actual adult humans.

But the Cobalt is also pockmarked by a few of the Ion’s pimples—artificial steering feel, a heavy clutch, and an edge to its 205-horse 2.0-liter Ecotec, which leans toward thrashiness above four grand and wants to hang onto revs a little too long when you jump off the gas. Then there are those long doors, which aid ingress but are quick to remind of their length in tight parking spaces. Remember the Camaro?

In this group, the Cobalt SS is solid and friendly, but it lacks the visceral feedback of the Subaru or the sporty steering of the Mazda or the Lexus-like refinement of the Camry or the look-at-me styling of the Mitsubishi. A car has to do at least one thing really well to become an all-star. As it is, the Cobalt SS is just another competent player, resting its huge rear spoiler on the vehicular bench.

VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, front-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 2-door coupe

BASE PRICE: $21,540

ENGINE TYPE: supercharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, port fuel injection
Displacement: 122 cu in, 1998cc
Power (SAE net): 205 bhp @ 5600 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 200 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm

TRANSMISSION: 5-speed manual

DIMENSIONS:Wheelbase: 103.3 in
Length: 180.3 in
Width: 67.9 in
Height: 55.7 in
Curb weight: 2936 lb

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 15.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 32.3 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 6.5 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.6 sec @ 99 mph
Top speed (drag limited): 141 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 169 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.86 g

FUEL ECONOMY:
EPA city/highway driving: 22/30 mpg


http://www.caranddriver.com/gallery.aspx?s...de=on&cnt=4

Imagine it in black.

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Bart Katz
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Dec 9 2007, 06:07 PM) *
GMTA, and all that good stuff.


Do you know what your CEL problems were? I wouldn't be surprised that it would have been emissions related maybe due to the ECU trying to control the fuel/air mixture with the supercharger.
Bart Katz
SpaceCowboy
Thats a quick little car. I'll bet that is fun.
Nomarchy
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Dec 9 2007, 03:14 PM) *
Do you know what your CEL problems were? I wouldn't be surprised that it would have been emissions related maybe due to the ECU trying to control the fuel/air mixture with the supercharger.


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Perform Diagnostics Code P1182 Super Charger Inlet Pressure (SCIP) Performance.
Per TAC Case# 10011279 Replace Throttle Body Assemply, Cleared Codes, Test Drove, Chked operation light off at this time. 11/30/07


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SOLENOID, SUPERCHARGER BOOST - REPLACE 11/23/2007


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POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE ENGINE REPROGRAMMING WITH SPS 10/07/2007


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Carbon Build Up; Cleaned Throttle Body 09/21/2007
Bart Katz
Ah, the old throttle body trick. smile.gif Hope it doesnt come back.

The other Lexus I had needed the power train ECU reprogramming. Seems they just don't always get that right.
Nomarchy
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Dec 9 2007, 04:06 PM) *
Ah, the old throttle body trick. smile.gif Hope it doesnt come back.

The other Lexus I had needed the power train ECU reprogramming. Seems they just don't always get that right.


What's the trick? In relatively simple terms. Is it the equivalent of cutting off and getting a new head because one has a stuffy nose?

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Nomarchy
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Supercharger Inlet Pressure
Sensor Performance
2.0L LSJ supercharged engine
only
P1182 Detect when Manifold
Absolute Pressure and
Measured Airflow does
not match estimated
engine airflow as
established by the TPS
Difference between measured
MAP and Estimated MAP < 30
kPa
Difference between measured
MAF and Estimated MAF < 20 g/s
No MAP circuit DTCs set
No EGR DTCs set
No TPS DTC’s set
No IAC DTC’s set
400 RPM < Engine Speed < 6400 RPM
TPS Delta < 5%
Enable Criteria Stable Timer > 5s
70°C < Engine Coolant Temperature < 125°C
-7°C < Intake Air Temperature < 125°C
187.5 ms continuous
in the main μP
DTC Type A


http://service.gm.com/gmspo/mode6/pdf/2005/2005file5b.pdf
Bart Katz
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Dec 9 2007, 07:11 PM) *
What's the trick? In relatively simple terms. Is it the equivalent of cutting off and getting a new head because one has a stuffy nose?

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Not really a trick. Just a figure of speech. It's one of the three things most often needing done in trying to fix modern fuel injection motors.
Nomarchy
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73632

I feel like I am joining a cult . . . or at least observing one.

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Nomarchy
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Dec 9 2007, 04:23 PM) *
Not really a trick. Just a figure of speech. It's one of the three things most often needing done in trying to fix modern fuel injection motors.


Aha. I meant the question genuinely. Sometimes I am terminally literal.
Bart Katz
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Dec 9 2007, 07:25 PM) *
Aha. I meant the question genuinely. Sometimes I am terminally literal.


Lots of times you can just undo the intake hose and spray cleaner into the throttle body. They do get gunked up, but usually over many miles.

Your other list includes the "intake air flow sensor". That's right after the air cleaner and the entire operation of the engine depends on the reading that sensor gets. They also get dirty sometimes and can be cleaned with alcohol or electronics spray cleaner.

Since you have the supercharger, the airflow measurements are a bit more critical than for a naturally aspirated engine. That means more sensors and more measurements being made and fed to the engine control computer.

For the fuel system health, my preference is to use only top tier gasoline (Chevron) that has detergents and additives to help keep the throttle body, and injectors clean. Failing that, add a bottle of Techron to the gas tank every couple months. That's the additive that's in the Chevron gas.
Bart Katz
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Dec 9 2007, 07:24 PM) *
http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73632

I feel like I am joining a cult . . . or at least observing one.

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I'm in the Lexus IS cult as a senior moderator. I got the moderator job cause I was one of the first to own the new model and had enough experience to answer questions of those who were considering buying one. Now I'm moderating on both http://my.is/ and http://us.lexusownersclub.com/forums/index.php? for both the new and older models and the off topic section on my.is. I first went there looking for info and now I am part of the info. smile.gif
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