Its weird that we would even have a need for special areas here in the forum.
Not so odd. As someone who has dealt w/risk management, she has selected options for action. And opened discourse for each.
In game theory the best option will shake itself out. Not that this admin will have a clue, but such dividing of the prob and solutions is the usual way to go in risk accessment.
The criteria: least harm w/best outcome. Usually the criteria. Mostly always not an black nor white solution. Various grays. Best gray wins. In theory.
In game theory the best option will shake itself out. Not that this admin will have a clue, but such dividing of the prob and solutions is the usual way to go in risk accessment.
The criteria: least harm w/best outcome. Usually the criteria. Mostly always not an black nor white solution. Various grays. Best gray wins. In theory.
He board, her choice. Have it your way, like Burger King.
Her divisions of options seems well-thought out.
I spect she may delete this banter just for questioning her. She has the power.
I spect not. But time will tell.
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 20 2006, 09:17 PM) [snapback]214612[/snapback]
I spect she may delete this banter just for questioning her. She has the power.
Is that the point? Is that what you expect arti?
Sure she may despise me but I honestly imagine her to be bigger, perhaps more mature, than that.
And besides my comment wasnt a dig or anything else particularly directed at Friend Judy. Its more of a question to you and the board as a whole.
What is wrong with us that we have to have a sanctuary for civil discourse?
QUOTE(Mizilus @ Jun 21 2006, 10:52 PM) [snapback]214798[/snapback]
Is that the point? Is that what you expect arti?
Sure she may despise me but I honestly imagine her to be bigger, perhaps more mature, than that.
And besides my comment wasnt a dig or anything else particularly directed at Friend Judy. Its more of a question to you and the board as a whole.
What is wrong with us that we have to have a sanctuary for civil discourse?
She wanted to be able to stick to a topic, not just remain civil. Anyway, what have you ever cared about civil?
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Jun 21 2006, 11:13 PM) [snapback]214800[/snapback]
She wanted to be able to stick to a topic, not just remain civil. Anyway, what have you ever cared about civil?
Its all me?
Come on man.
It's weird that a bushlover would cry about people being nasty. oh lets see... what does ann coulter have to say about I Žaq and people that oppose the very idea of what republicans have done there? Everyone should be intimately familiar with what ann has to say. Why? Well it might be because we sought it out, but I doubt it.
But lets not focus on the civil part. I personally feel that the discourse part is far more important. And as far as I Žaq is concerned I think it is unreasonable to not include the factors to blame in the discussion especially when one concerned party is already limiting the discussion with their retarded rhetoric.
American: "Well gee. I saw it coming, even before 9/11 and I said so, and I thought it was a mistake before it even happened."
Republican: "saddamite, defeatist, cut and run, appeaser, socialist, terrorist sympathizer, weak on terror, insurgent/terrorist, the schools, WMD's, 9/11, protecting freedom, blah blah blah."
Iraq is like when you go out with your big mouth buddy and he gets you in a fight and answering to the police all in one night.
"Iraq: We are where we are, where do we go from here?"
I guess it depends on who you ask. bushlovers will blame the democrats for the invasion of Iraq and that will color their every utterance on the subject. Others will blame the bush administration and republicans for what is happening there but republicans will not allow a real, honest discussion about what should really be done there because of their arrogant obstinance. It is the big fat gorrila squatting in front of the TV.
Miz, yes, the point is to stick to the topic.
And AV, Hunin, anyone, if you have other options to add, please feel free to open a new thread for it.
Just, enough with quibbling over Murtha's patriotism. The reg Iraq thread is there for that. I was hoping for discussion of the feasibility and fallout of the other options (since stay the course doesn't seem to be working) and what could/should be done to steer events in that direction.
And AV, Hunin, anyone, if you have other options to add, please feel free to open a new thread for it.
Just, enough with quibbling over Murtha's patriotism. The reg Iraq thread is there for that. I was hoping for discussion of the feasibility and fallout of the other options (since stay the course doesn't seem to be working) and what could/should be done to steer events in that direction.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 23 2006, 01:07 PM) [snapback]215168[/snapback]
Miz, yes, the point is to stick to the topic.
And AV, Hunin, anyone, if you have other options to add, please feel free to open a new thread for it.
Just, enough with quibbling over Murtha's patriotism. The reg Iraq thread is there for that. I was hoping for discussion of the feasibility and fallout of the other options (since stay the course doesn't seem to be working) and what could/should be done to steer events in that direction.
I beleive I read somewhere that the typical life of an unsuccessful insurgency has been on the order of 5-12 years. We're not there yet, and since the Iraqi forces have just been trained (somewhat) I think it's still early in the game.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 23 2006, 11:07 AM) [snapback]215168[/snapback]
Miz, yes, the point is to stick to the topic.
And AV, Hunin, anyone, if you have other options to add, please feel free to open a new thread for it.
Just, enough with quibbling over Murtha's patriotism. The reg Iraq thread is there for that. I was hoping for discussion of the feasibility and fallout of the other options (since stay the course doesn't seem to be working) and what could/should be done to steer events in that direction.
I like your options and your moderated area. Too many threads gets confusing and hard to follow.
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jun 23 2006, 12:13 PM) [snapback]215174[/snapback]
I beleive I read somewhere that the typical life of an unsuccessful insurgency has been on the order of 5-12 years. We're not there yet, and since the Iraqi forces have just been trained (somewhat) I think it's still early in the game.
It is indeed early in the game. Still, do you think we can sustain this level of expense and strain on our military for that long without going on a -true- war footing?
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 23 2006, 03:18 PM) [snapback]215286[/snapback]
It is indeed early in the game. Still, do you think we can sustain this level of expense and strain on our military for that long without going on a -true- war footing?
I'm most concerned about sending our GI's back for three or more tours. It's got to be a morale killer, and seems too much to ask. It may well be time to expand the Army, as Gen. McCaffery and others have suggested.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 23 2006, 01:07 PM) [snapback]215168[/snapback]
Miz, yes, the point is to stick to the topic.
And AV, Hunin, anyone, if you have other options to add, please feel free to open a new thread for it.
Just, enough with quibbling over Murtha's patriotism. The reg Iraq thread is there for that. I was hoping for discussion of the feasibility and fallout of the other options (since stay the course doesn't seem to be working) and what could/should be done to steer events in that direction.
A good plan.
Need to get Rocco over here (apologies for losss of formatting):
QUOTE
Yesterday, 01:40 PM Post #23520
Colonel
Group: Members
Posts: 999
Joined: 24-September 04
From: Reynoldsburg, Ohio (East Columbus)
Member No.: 8
'SpaceCowboy,' et al,
Yes, an important question that deserves an answer.
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jun 22 2006, 08:57 AM)
What would the appropriate 4GW response be?
(COMMENT)
The 2GW Force should be in a Rapid Reaction Force (RRF) mode.
CITY-by-CITY and PROVINCE-by-PROVINCE
Civil Affairs (CA), in conjunction with Iraqi Reconstruction Projects, should have been setting up:
Small Business Grants (SBGs)
Commerical Banks
Local Neighborhood Rehabilitation Centers
Telecommunications and Wireless Central Office Services
Contracting Offices (ConOFs)
Civil Personnel Offices (CPOs) (Gov't Employment)
Job & Family Services (Medial Dental and Insurance Benefits + Employment Centers)
Neighborhood Wardens
Neighborhood Constabulary Offices (NCOs)
Emergency Services
Public Utilities
Reconstruction Project Management
Upgrade of small business district
Open to Coalition
Source of Business Supplies and light construction materials (Home Depot type)
Economic Incentives and Free Trade Zones
Counterintelligence (CI), in conjunction with CA, and Iraqi Reconstruction Projects, should have been setting up:
Formal Bordercrossing points:
US Border & Customs (USB&C) advisors, using personnel procured through City and Provincial CPOs, establish major border crossing checkpoints and customs stations.
US Border Patrol, using personnel procured through City and Provincial CPOs, and Iraqi small business contractors through SBGs/ConOFs, setup IR/MW and siesmic Fense Perimeter along the border.
US Border Patrol, using personnel procured through City and Provincial CPOs, and Iraqi small business contractors through SBGs/ConOFs, setup remote Quick Reaction Ground/Air Stations (QRG/AS) for light fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft along the border region.
CI/USB&C advisors, using personnel procured through City and Provincial CPOs, and Iraqi small business contractors through SBGs/ConOFs, build perimeter highways and road to patrol borders and oil infrastructure. US 2GW Forces + US FAA advisors train personnel, procured through City and Provincial CPOs, in air operations and flight control operations.
CI and US 2GW Military Police, train personnel procured through City and Provincial CPOs, Highway Patrol Functions and establish a system of (QRG/AS) along all highways and major road ways across Iraq.
Identification Program and Population Control (Used by Police, Security Services, Border Forces and required for all benefit services):
Using RFID/GIS/SmartCard technology, US/Coalition Forces issue identification cards through (NCOs), and Emergency Services.
Local Vehicle registration progam through (NCOs).
Issuance of Identification at all border checkpoints.
Setup Student Work-Study Programs at the City and Provincial level through Colleges & Universities, to maintain regional demographic and census data, house-by-house, so that every NCO nows who is living where and what building, lots and lands are vacant or unmaintained.
Counterintelligence (CI), in conjunction with CA and 2GW Military Police, establish interlocking City, Provincial and Highway Patrol Police Coodinating Centers complete with Provincial-wide Law Enforcement Radio System (PLERS) (expandable to nation-wide) project is to provide law enforcement officers & Security Forces with a shared UHF radio system. This digital system would serves radios in patrol cars, boats, motorcycles, and aircraft wherever they are in the Province.
Counterintelligence (CI), in conjunction with CA and 2GW Signal/FCC advisors, establish a common communications system for the Joint Task Force agencies, the Provincial activities:
Effective Provincial-wide (expandable to nation-wide) communications.
Coordinated communications with local public safety entities.
A solution to frequency congestion, frequency control and encryption management.
Replacement of older pre-War systems without duplication of effort.
Counterintelligence (CI), in conjunction with CA, establish a Defensive Source Acquisition Program designed to covertly use pro-government activities through the SBGs, ConOFs and NCOs, to provide control streams of information and to provide characters to infiltrate or penetrate developing insurgencies.
This is a Part-I (First Step) in a 4GW Approach. You will notice that it is completely different than the current approach used by the Administration and Military decision makers.
First, it builds from the bottom-upward. It builds both the economic interests, the security concerns, and the local government at the foundational level. It keeps the Occupation Government at the national level in place and vets candidates for national level offices.
The second part becomes a little more extensive. It would tie the Provincial Level governments together with appropriate national level ministries.
In performing Occupation Responsibilities in a 4GW mode, the Occupation Government does not build the nation from the top-downward. The Occupation Government retains control of the ministries to deny infiltration by insurgents and limit the corruption within the ministries by indigenous personalities. It also starts the rebuilding and rehabilitation effort by immediately reducing the unemployment levels, awarding contracts to indigenous companys and creating start-up opportunities for new businesses.
By doing all these things, you reduce the recruitment potential for the various insurgent elements and involve the communities at the most basic level, which they would then have an economic stake in the success - - - and an incentive in retarding anti-Government/Occupation activities.
Most Respectfully,
--------------------
Rocco Rosano
Reynoldsburg, OH
prosano@insight.rr.com
Colonel
Group: Members
Posts: 999
Joined: 24-September 04
From: Reynoldsburg, Ohio (East Columbus)
Member No.: 8
'SpaceCowboy,' et al,
Yes, an important question that deserves an answer.
QUOTE(SpaceCowboy @ Jun 22 2006, 08:57 AM)
What would the appropriate 4GW response be?
(COMMENT)
The 2GW Force should be in a Rapid Reaction Force (RRF) mode.
CITY-by-CITY and PROVINCE-by-PROVINCE
Civil Affairs (CA), in conjunction with Iraqi Reconstruction Projects, should have been setting up:
Small Business Grants (SBGs)
Commerical Banks
Local Neighborhood Rehabilitation Centers
Telecommunications and Wireless Central Office Services
Contracting Offices (ConOFs)
Civil Personnel Offices (CPOs) (Gov't Employment)
Job & Family Services (Medial Dental and Insurance Benefits + Employment Centers)
Neighborhood Wardens
Neighborhood Constabulary Offices (NCOs)
Emergency Services
Public Utilities
Reconstruction Project Management
Upgrade of small business district
Open to Coalition
Source of Business Supplies and light construction materials (Home Depot type)
Economic Incentives and Free Trade Zones
Counterintelligence (CI), in conjunction with CA, and Iraqi Reconstruction Projects, should have been setting up:
Formal Bordercrossing points:
US Border & Customs (USB&C) advisors, using personnel procured through City and Provincial CPOs, establish major border crossing checkpoints and customs stations.
US Border Patrol, using personnel procured through City and Provincial CPOs, and Iraqi small business contractors through SBGs/ConOFs, setup IR/MW and siesmic Fense Perimeter along the border.
US Border Patrol, using personnel procured through City and Provincial CPOs, and Iraqi small business contractors through SBGs/ConOFs, setup remote Quick Reaction Ground/Air Stations (QRG/AS) for light fixed-wing and rotary-wing aircraft along the border region.
CI/USB&C advisors, using personnel procured through City and Provincial CPOs, and Iraqi small business contractors through SBGs/ConOFs, build perimeter highways and road to patrol borders and oil infrastructure. US 2GW Forces + US FAA advisors train personnel, procured through City and Provincial CPOs, in air operations and flight control operations.
CI and US 2GW Military Police, train personnel procured through City and Provincial CPOs, Highway Patrol Functions and establish a system of (QRG/AS) along all highways and major road ways across Iraq.
Identification Program and Population Control (Used by Police, Security Services, Border Forces and required for all benefit services):
Using RFID/GIS/SmartCard technology, US/Coalition Forces issue identification cards through (NCOs), and Emergency Services.
Local Vehicle registration progam through (NCOs).
Issuance of Identification at all border checkpoints.
Setup Student Work-Study Programs at the City and Provincial level through Colleges & Universities, to maintain regional demographic and census data, house-by-house, so that every NCO nows who is living where and what building, lots and lands are vacant or unmaintained.
Counterintelligence (CI), in conjunction with CA and 2GW Military Police, establish interlocking City, Provincial and Highway Patrol Police Coodinating Centers complete with Provincial-wide Law Enforcement Radio System (PLERS) (expandable to nation-wide) project is to provide law enforcement officers & Security Forces with a shared UHF radio system. This digital system would serves radios in patrol cars, boats, motorcycles, and aircraft wherever they are in the Province.
Counterintelligence (CI), in conjunction with CA and 2GW Signal/FCC advisors, establish a common communications system for the Joint Task Force agencies, the Provincial activities:
Effective Provincial-wide (expandable to nation-wide) communications.
Coordinated communications with local public safety entities.
A solution to frequency congestion, frequency control and encryption management.
Replacement of older pre-War systems without duplication of effort.
Counterintelligence (CI), in conjunction with CA, establish a Defensive Source Acquisition Program designed to covertly use pro-government activities through the SBGs, ConOFs and NCOs, to provide control streams of information and to provide characters to infiltrate or penetrate developing insurgencies.
This is a Part-I (First Step) in a 4GW Approach. You will notice that it is completely different than the current approach used by the Administration and Military decision makers.
First, it builds from the bottom-upward. It builds both the economic interests, the security concerns, and the local government at the foundational level. It keeps the Occupation Government at the national level in place and vets candidates for national level offices.
The second part becomes a little more extensive. It would tie the Provincial Level governments together with appropriate national level ministries.
In performing Occupation Responsibilities in a 4GW mode, the Occupation Government does not build the nation from the top-downward. The Occupation Government retains control of the ministries to deny infiltration by insurgents and limit the corruption within the ministries by indigenous personalities. It also starts the rebuilding and rehabilitation effort by immediately reducing the unemployment levels, awarding contracts to indigenous companys and creating start-up opportunities for new businesses.
By doing all these things, you reduce the recruitment potential for the various insurgent elements and involve the communities at the most basic level, which they would then have an economic stake in the success - - - and an incentive in retarding anti-Government/Occupation activities.
Most Respectfully,
--------------------
Rocco Rosano
Reynoldsburg, OH
prosano@insight.rr.com
QUOTE(hunin @ Jun 23 2006, 03:37 PM) [snapback]215307[/snapback]
A good plan.
Need to get Rocco over here (apologies for losss of formatting):
Rocco's list of "elements" seems like a very laudable set of items; many of which would fit nicely into any situation requiring a change.
I would imagine that a great many of them were incorporated into the Iraq "plan". Some would fit ... some would not. It might be nice to see just what was and wasn't incorporated rather than simply making hoopla over a list.
Perhaps, Bub, you would care to offer your own ideas, in one of the existing threads or a new one, on how to win, or at least to not come out the worse for this adventure?
I suspect that even you would, if pressed to be honest, admit that so far, "the course", whatever that course is, is losing more ground than it's gaining?
Natch, it's up the to Iraqis to make it work or not work, but so far, until recently, they haven't stepped up to the plate. Yes, their new PM is trying, real hard, but he can only try with the tools available to him (the "Iraqi" forces), and so far, those forces are about half and half demonstrating their loyalty to a unified Iraq/that their loyalties are primarily sectarian.
Now, before you flame, it's NOT that I think he isn't genuinely trying, or that he doesn't mean well, or that I'm not aware that he's sort of an Iraqi patriot (somewhat corrupt, but only somewhat, which seems above avg for the region) who's sticking his own neck, and his family's, way, way, WAY out. Rather, it's that I see no way he can succeed unless he breaks with certain US policies, and I don't think Bush will allow it.
It's an open forum, though, so long as it stays away from mudslinging and blameplacing, and focusses instead on alternatives. So if you want to open a thread for "stay the course" and make the argument that staying on it will succeed, feel free. That would, however, put you in the position of trying to say what "the course" is, which even Bush doesn't seem to be particularly clear on.
I suspect that even you would, if pressed to be honest, admit that so far, "the course", whatever that course is, is losing more ground than it's gaining?
Natch, it's up the to Iraqis to make it work or not work, but so far, until recently, they haven't stepped up to the plate. Yes, their new PM is trying, real hard, but he can only try with the tools available to him (the "Iraqi" forces), and so far, those forces are about half and half demonstrating their loyalty to a unified Iraq/that their loyalties are primarily sectarian.
Now, before you flame, it's NOT that I think he isn't genuinely trying, or that he doesn't mean well, or that I'm not aware that he's sort of an Iraqi patriot (somewhat corrupt, but only somewhat, which seems above avg for the region) who's sticking his own neck, and his family's, way, way, WAY out. Rather, it's that I see no way he can succeed unless he breaks with certain US policies, and I don't think Bush will allow it.
It's an open forum, though, so long as it stays away from mudslinging and blameplacing, and focusses instead on alternatives. So if you want to open a thread for "stay the course" and make the argument that staying on it will succeed, feel free. That would, however, put you in the position of trying to say what "the course" is, which even Bush doesn't seem to be particularly clear on.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 23 2006, 11:07 AM) [snapback]215168[/snapback]
I was hoping for discussion of the feasibility and fallout of the other options (since stay the course doesn't seem to be working) and what could/should be done to steer events in that direction.
It is just further limiting the discussion.
republicans do not will not accept responsibility/blame so they wont consider anything but "stay the course". To do so would be to admit they are/were wrong.
It's sometimes useful to limit the discussion. IMO, this is one of those times, and AV has accomodated me.
The regular Iraq thread, unlimited, is still there, so you're free to ramble all you want over there.
I do, however, wish one of the Bush supporters would come over here and start a "stay the course" option, and then define "the course" and offer reasons to believe that it will produced a successful outcome.
The regular Iraq thread, unlimited, is still there, so you're free to ramble all you want over there.
I do, however, wish one of the Bush supporters would come over here and start a "stay the course" option, and then define "the course" and offer reasons to believe that it will produced a successful outcome.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 24 2006, 08:42 AM) [snapback]215407[/snapback]
It's sometimes useful to limit the discussion. IMO, this is one of those times, and AV has accomodated me.
The regular Iraq thread, unlimited, is still there, so you're free to ramble all you want over there.
I do, however, wish one of the Bush supporters would come over here and start a "stay the course" option, and then define "the course" and offer reasons to believe that it will produced a successful outcome.
The regular Iraq thread, unlimited, is still there, so you're free to ramble all you want over there.
I do, however, wish one of the Bush supporters would come over here and start a "stay the course" option, and then define "the course" and offer reasons to believe that it will produced a successful outcome.
Well since "staying the course" is actually a course of reactions and slow changes I didn't see a real need to start yet another option thread. I've found that simplicity is as important as having variety and options that weren't available on the old C-Span boards.
And the options aren't all this or all that. We can allow some chaos, partition to some extent, start over in some places. I find "staying the course" is mostly just a tag line. As if every day everyone was going to do the exact same thing as the day before until things magically got better.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 24 2006, 07:17 AM) [snapback]215378[/snapback]
Perhaps, Bub, you would care to offer your own ideas, in one of the existing threads or a new one, on how to win, or at least to not come out the worse for this adventure?
I suspect that even you would, if pressed to be honest, admit that so far, "the course", whatever that course is, is losing more ground than it's gaining?
Natch, it's up the to Iraqis to make it work or not work, but so far, until recently, they haven't stepped up to the plate. Yes, their new PM is trying, real hard, but he can only try with the tools available to him (the "Iraqi" forces), and so far, those forces are about half and half demonstrating their loyalty to a unified Iraq/that their loyalties are primarily sectarian.
Now, before you flame, it's NOT that I think he isn't genuinely trying, or that he doesn't mean well, or that I'm not aware that he's sort of an Iraqi patriot (somewhat corrupt, but only somewhat, which seems above avg for the region) who's sticking his own neck, and his family's, way, way, WAY out. Rather, it's that I see no way he can succeed unless he breaks with certain US policies, and I don't think Bush will allow it.
It's an open forum, though, so long as it stays away from mudslinging and blameplacing, and focusses instead on alternatives. So if you want to open a thread for "stay the course" and make the argument that staying on it will succeed, feel free. That would, however, put you in the position of trying to say what "the course" is, which even Bush doesn't seem to be particularly clear on.
The only real option open to us IS "stay the course". The course being doing our best to establish a democracy, the nature of which is obviously ultimately unkown; bringing the Iraqi police and armed forces up to a point where they can assume the responsibilities we have undertaken, and allow us an exit opportunity; and in a general sense continue to maintain and provide such civil services and rebuilding efforts as we are able.
The long term payouts just might be a democratic foothold in the Arab world, LEGITIMATE access to Iraqi oil, and eventual stability.
I do find it interesting that liberal rails denigrating "staying the course" offer nothing new and indeed simply restate "staying the course" elements into phrases more to their liking.
So, in keeping with the rules of your forum I'll not criticize you for suggesting that I will "flame" but simply remind you that your suggestion in that regard just might imply an infraction on your part.
Kaizen.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 24 2006, 03:42 PM) [snapback]215407[/snapback]
It's sometimes useful to limit the discussion. IMO, this is one of those times, and AV has accomodated me.
The regular Iraq thread, unlimited, is still there, so you're free to ramble all you want over there.
I do, however, wish one of the Bush supporters would come over here and start a "stay the course" option, and then define "the course" and offer reasons to believe that it will produced a successful outcome.
FJ It would actually be better for the leftys to present a "different course". We have stay the course" and cut and run. If nobody likes either and the repubs are following stay the course. I think it would be for others to give an alernative.
If you look around this forum, several options besides stay the course and cut and run have been offered. Feel free to comment on them.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 24 2006, 10:07 PM) [snapback]215618[/snapback]
If you look around this forum, several options besides stay the course and cut and run have been offered. Feel free to comment on them.
I looked around THIS forum and found none. What sort of options other than variations on those themes have you seen?
See? They dont see a problem with pissing lives, time, and money away on something that has nothing to do with America. For them the only possibility is more of the same. For as long as it takes.
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Jun 24 2006, 03:25 PM) [snapback]215518[/snapback]
Kaizen.
If only some serious hint of it.
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Jun 18 2006, 08:02 PM) [snapback]214148[/snapback]
It's possible that it's not too late to, should the present "unity" government fail, shepard a fairly peaceable partition, and play the role of arbiter as far as oil rights, etc.
I think this would be as good as it gets for a final common pathway, but I don't think we have any credibility with any of the parties, nor the power on the ground or in any other sense to put such a solution - or any solution - forward. Nor do I think the current 'unity government' will or can as it is becoming clear that they are partisan, indeed.
I had hoped for more of a 'Lebanon-style' solution with real power sharing among the factions. No, Hezbollah does't change my opinion on that, but does highlight the lack of real solutions availiable, and that the common path to the future in the ME is violent in every dimension, some more than others.
Mebbee draw the lines as to religion, pool the oil money, toss national boundaries out the window, and hope that lasts until we can get enough nuclear power plants and alternatives to not have to worry about it much.
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