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Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(CharlieRay @ Oct 23 2006, 07:53 PM) [snapback]253256[/snapback]


Have you or any one that you know ever been coerced in any way to convert to Islam?


Not much call for it here. Yet. I did watch what they did to the reporter and his cameraman.
CharlieRay
QUOTE(Arturo_Vandelay @ Oct 23 2006, 09:25 PM) [snapback]253275[/snapback]

Not much call for it here. Yet. I did watch what they did to the reporter and his cameraman.


I'm proud to see you admit that... now if the hyperbole would jUSt drop off a bit... and actual reality get some hearing.
Bee
QUOTE(Spot @ Oct 23 2006, 06:28 PM) [snapback]253146[/snapback]

I pointed that out to a few people and got called a bitch for my efforts. I don't understand why otherwise tolerant people would not realize how dangerous radical Islam is, and how very INTOLERANT it is.


It's not the only INTOLERANT minority out there. There's plenty closer to home.

Why aren't you quaking in your boots over them? They live here.

IPB Image

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The bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City opened a window on the previously invisible subculture of militias, survivalists and conspiracy theorists. This radical right-wing subculture has existed for more than a quarter century, and its roots extend back to manifestations of nativism, racism and anti-Semitism earlier in this century.

Many of the subculture's current denizens portray themselves as asserting individual rights against federal government encroachment. Their hot issues are gun control, taxation, and the federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco. They interpret the Constitution through a kind of "legal fundamentalism." For example, some claim to have discovered the essence of the Constitution in doctrines that raise individual gun possession above the powers of the national government. As one widely circulated militia manual puts it:

Our constitutional liberties are systematically being eroded and denied. The fact that officials are infringing gun rights on every front is simply a manifestation of their inner tendency to empower themselves. Left unchecked, this power will lead to genuine tyranny... The more citizens that own guns, the less willing the government will be to threaten us.

In the world of militias, the national government is a devious and dangerous force, the enemy of its own population.

While this bizarre theory of politics often revolves around issues of law, rights and the state, it ultimately rests on religious foundations. The religious beliefs that undergird the radical right are hard to describe for two reasons, the first having to do with the far right's organizational structure, the second related to its doctrinal basis.

Structurally, the radical right is a confusing, seemingly anarchic world. Survivalists, militias, Klans, neo-Nazis, Christian Identity churches, skinheads and Christian constitutionalists do not inhabit neatly defined segments. Their styles of rhetoric, dress and symbolism are not mutually exclusive, and often interpenetrate and overlap. A person may be a survivalist Christian Identity believer who likes skinhead music, has a fondness for Nazi symbols, and is sympathetic to Christian constitutional arguments. Another participant in the movement might accept some parts of this world but not others.

The memberships of right-wing organizations often overlap, and the groups themselves (like those on the far left) are often riven by factionalism and internal conflicts. It is not surprising, therefore, that months after the Oklahoma City bombing journalists still have difficulty describing suspect Timothy MeVeigh's relationship to the Michigan Militia and to Christian Identity groups. Within the subculture, individuals migrate easily from group to group, sometimes appropriating one set of ideas and symbols, sometimes another, sometimes several simultaneously.

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=98


How about this bunch? Not exactly the picture of tolerance, are they?



They like to protest at soldiers funerals.

Is it just that the radical Islamists are dark skinned? How can you be so fearful of them, and not be scared of our homegrown variety? Why aren't "christians" everywhere making more noise denouncing these jerks?
Bart Katz
They have. They do. Nobody supports those idiots. Open your eyes.

QUOTE(CharlieRay @ Oct 23 2006, 09:53 PM) [snapback]253256[/snapback]

Have you or any one that you know ever been coerced in any way to convert to Islam?


Those mother farkers come around at least twice a month trying that poopy. They head for the tall timber when I whip out that .45.
Friend Judy
AV, something on this page is trying to plant a cookie from "boortz.com" on my computer.

It's the protest photo in Bee's post.
Arturo_Vandelay
Gone.
patheticJT
QUOTE(davis¹³ @ Oct 23 2006, 10:08 PM) [snapback]253138[/snapback]

Boo!
Blah, blah, blah.

Fear monger some sucker who believes what you dolts spew. 50 years ago it was commies. 20 years ago it was the one world government bullsheit. Now it's the OH MY GODDDDDD!!!!
Islamofacists!!!!
AAAAIIIIIEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

You are an idiot. Go listen to Rush, Cletus. You are brain dead.


Boo!

Blah, blah, blah

Fear monger some sucker who believes what you dolts spew. 50 years ago it was Senator McCarthy, 20 years ago it was Reagan and Iran Contra BS. Now its the OH MY GODDDDDD!!!!!

Rightwing Religious Evangelical Christians!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are an idiot. go listen to Franken, Dowd, or Rosie O'Donnell. You are brain dead.
Friend Judy
Hey, check the link I just posted on the elections thread if you don't think the GOP is fearmongering.

Of course, you've fully bought into their propaganda, so it'll probably have it's desired purpose, duly terrorize you, and reinforce your belief that the Muslim Army is soon to be in Des Moines, converting Baptists at gunpoint, if the GOP doesn't hold the House.
patheticJT
QUOTE(Bee @ Oct 24 2006, 03:42 AM) [snapback]253280[/snapback]

It's not the only INTOLERANT minority out there. There's plenty closer to home.

Why aren't you quaking in your boots over them? They live here.

IPB Image
How about this bunch? Not exactly the picture of tolerance, are they?
They like to protest at soldiers funerals.

Is it just that the radical Islamists are dark skinned? How can you be so fearful of them, and not be scared of our homegrown variety? Why aren't "christians" everywhere making more noise denouncing these jerks?


Everytime they bring up these radical right wing groups, it reminds me of the respected radical homegrown leftwing groups like the ACLU,PETA, NAMBLA, AND ANSWER
Arturo_Vandelay
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Why aren't you quaking in your boots over them? They live here.


One is dead, and one in prison. Not much of a life.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 24 2006, 12:59 AM) [snapback]253345[/snapback]

Hey, check the link I just posted on the elections thread if you don't think the GOP is fearmongering.

Of course, you've fully bought into their propaganda, so it'll probably have it's desired purpose, duly terrorize you, and reinforce your belief that the Muslim Army is soon to be in Des Moines, converting Baptists at gunpoint, if the GOP doesn't hold the House.


Lefties will fix that with new gun control laws.
davis¹³
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Repub_Bub
QUOTE(Friend Judy @ Oct 23 2006, 10:59 PM) [snapback]253345[/snapback]

Hey, check the link I just posted on the elections thread if you don't think the GOP is fearmongering.

Of course, you've fully bought into their propaganda, so it'll probably have it's desired purpose, duly terrorize you, and reinforce your belief that the Muslim Army is soon to be in Des Moines, converting Baptists at gunpoint, if the GOP doesn't hold the House.

Yeah, no need to be concerned of an increasing Muslim population...Europe seems to deal well with the situation, especially the French.
CharlieRay
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 23 2006, 11:24 PM) [snapback]253330[/snapback]

They have. They do. Nobody supports those idiots. Open your eyes.
Those mother farkers come around at least twice a month trying that poopy. They head for the tall timber when I whip out that .45.


What did/do they look like?... what did/do they say?... describe one of the typical encounters please.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE(Repub_Bub @ Oct 24 2006, 05:49 AM) [snapback]253405[/snapback]

Yeah, no need to be concerned of an increasing Muslim population...Europe seems to deal well with the situation, especially the French.


They'll just have to make asbestos cars in the future.
Human Ills
QUOTE(CharlieRay @ Oct 23 2006, 07:53 PM) [snapback]253256[/snapback]

Have you or any one that you know ever been coerced in any way to convert to Islam?

Jackass.
You know what else hasn't happened to me?
I haven't had my phone tapped.
I haven't been denied the right to vote.
I haven't been accussed of being a terrorist and illegally detained and tortured.

You guys sound like a bunch of retards with your "have you converted" talking point.
Don't any of you like to respond as an individual?
Do we really need to blur the distinction between davey and charlie and sherry and mizzie?
patheticJT
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Oct 24 2006, 03:05 PM) [snapback]253422[/snapback]

Jackass.
You know what else hasn't happened to me?
I haven't had my phone tapped.
I haven't been denied the right to vote.
I haven't been accussed of being a terrorist and illegally detained and tortured.

You guys sound like a bunch of retards with your "have you converted" talking point.
Don't any of you like to respond as an individual?
Do we really need to blur the distinction between davey and charlie and sherry and mizzie?



laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
CharlieRay
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Oct 24 2006, 09:05 AM) [snapback]253422[/snapback]

Jackass.
You know what else hasn't happened to me?
I haven't had my phone tapped.
I haven't been denied the right to vote.
I haven't been accussed of being a terrorist and illegally detained and tortured.

You guys sound like a bunch of retards with your "have you converted" talking point.
Don't any of you like to respond as an individual?
Do we really need to blur the distinction between davey and charlie and sherry and mizzie?


So how many times have you or any one that you know been coerced in any way to convert to Islam?(simply answer the simple question jackass:~).


QUOTE(patheticJT @ Oct 24 2006, 09:19 AM) [snapback]253426[/snapback]

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Same to you... simply answer the simple question.
Bart Katz
QUOTE(CharlieRay @ Oct 24 2006, 09:49 AM) [snapback]253413[/snapback]

What did/do they look like?... what did/do they say?... describe one of the typical encounters please.


Knock Knock.

Hello

Shalom

We're muslims.

Get the fark outa here.

Snick.

sound of running

Slam
CharlieRay
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 24 2006, 09:37 AM) [snapback]253435[/snapback]

Knock Knock.

Hello

Shalom

We're muslims.

Get the fark outa here.

Snick.

sound of running

Slam


Yea right... and yer not a liar either, ehh? rolleyes.gif

What the hell is so wrong with trying to stay to actual reality?
Bart Katz
QUOTE(CharlieRay @ Oct 24 2006, 10:42 AM) [snapback]253438[/snapback]

Yea right... and yer not a liar either, ehh? rolleyes.gif


That's exactly what I said before, but spelled out simply enough for even you to understand it.
CharlieRay
What is soo wrong with trying to stay with actual reality?
Bart Katz
QUOTE(CharlieRay @ Oct 24 2006, 10:44 AM) [snapback]253441[/snapback]

What is soo wrong with trying to stay with actual reality?


When you actually find reality, please to let me know, Charlie.
patheticJT
QUOTE(Bart Katz @ Oct 24 2006, 03:44 PM) [snapback]253442[/snapback]

When you actually find reality, please to let me know, Charlie.


Ditto
CharlieRay
WHatever you do, jUSt don't answer the simple question... it might actually mean something... and by all means, we jUSt can't have that...

Hooboy.
Bart Katz
http://ibelieveeveryconspiracytheory.com

QUOTE(CharlieRay @ Oct 24 2006, 10:49 AM) [snapback]253447[/snapback]

WHatever you do, jUSt don't answer the simple question... it might actually mean something... and by all means, we jUSt can't have that...

Hooboy.


The questions are too farking simple to even think about answering.
Human Ills
Something about groundwork being laid so eventually there MIGHT come a day when one isn't ASKED to convert, and something else about identifying such plans and doing something that MIGHT nip such plans in the bud.
Before it comes down to denying Christ at the barrel of a gun.


Then again, that would be a true martyrs death and a fast track to heaven.

....Or something like that....
davis¹³
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Oct 24 2006, 10:57 AM) [snapback]253456[/snapback]

Something about groundwork being laid so eventually there MIGHT come a day when one isn't ASKED to convert, and something else about identifying such plans and doing something that MIGHT nip such plans in the bud.
Before it comes down to denying Christ at the barrel of a gun.
Then again, that would be a true martyrs death and a fast track to heaven.

....Or something like that....




laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Yeah. The US is going to become a Muslim nation or die.
beasty
Obviously there's no threat, so we can just go back to the way things used to be. No passenger searches, no phone taps, no reinforced cabin doors, no lines at the airport. No more fear. Wonderful.
Bart Katz
Let's go back to the days when skyjackers just wanted money and a trip to Cuba or something.
inyerface
catch anybody that way? NO

save anybody? NO

scare everyone? YOU

control the masses? SHEEP

appearance of control. that's IT.

Iraq body count proves it.

The only reason 911 happened is because they allowed it.

They wanted it. its written out in plain English.
Bart Katz
farkoff
inyerface
learn that from cheney?
Human Ills
Cheney learned it from Barto.
inyerface
IPB Image
inyerface
who would you kill for 3 trillion?
arebuntz
QUOTE(patheticJT @ Oct 24 2006, 02:00 AM) [snapback]253346[/snapback]

Everytime they bring up these radical right wing groups, it reminds me of the respected radical homegrown leftwing groups like the ACLU,PETA, NAMBLA, AND ANSWER

Don't forget ELF...IPB Image
inyerface
and BARF
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Mizilus
QUOTE(Human Ills @ Oct 24 2006, 08:05 AM) [snapback]253422[/snapback]

Jackass.
You guys sound like a bunch of retards with your "have you converted" talking point.
Don't any of you like to respond as an individual?
Do we really need to blur the distinction between davey and charlie and sherry and mizzie?



??
davis¹³
?
inyerface
!
CharlieRay
$
Mizilus
(the finger)
Lord_Proprietor
Youths Torch Buses Around Paris

Oct 26 9:53 AM US/Eastern

By CECILE BRISSON
Associated Press Writer

PARIS

Youths forced passengers off three buses and set them on fire overnight in suburban Paris, raising tensions Thursday ahead of the first anniversary of the riots that engulfed France's rundown, heavily immigrant neighborhoods.
No injuries were reported, but worried bus drivers refused to enter some suburbs after dark, and the prime minister urged a swift, stern response.


The riots in October 2005 raged through housing projects in suburbs nationwide, springing in part from anger over entrenched discrimination against immigrants and their French-born children, many of them Muslims from former French colonies in Africa. Despite an influx of funds and promises, disenchantment still thrives in those communities.

About 10 attackers _ five of them with handguns _ stormed a bus in Montreuil east of Paris early Thursday and forced the passengers off, the RATP transport authority said. They then drove off and set the bus on fire.

Late Wednesday, three attackers forced passengers off another bus in Athis-Mons, south of Paris, and tossed a Molotov cocktail inside, police officials said. The driver managed to put out the fire. Elsewhere, between six and 10 youths herded passengers off a bus in the western suburb of Nanterre late Wednesday and set it alight.

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said the events "should lead to an immediate response."

"We cannot accept the unacceptable," he told reporters in the northern suburb of Cergy-Pontoise. "There will be arrests. ... That is our responsibility."

Villepin also said efforts should be directed to "revitalize" troubled neighborhoods, and repeated the government's insistence that authorities rid France of "lawless zones" where youth gangs operate.

The overnight attacks and recent ambushes on police have raised concern about the changing character of suburban violence, which is seemingly more premeditated than last year's spontaneous outcry and no longer restricted to the housing projects. The use of handguns was unusual _ last year's rioters were armed primarily with crowbars, stones, sticks or gasoline bombs.

Regional authorities said the Nanterre bus line, which passes near Paris' financial district, had not been considered at a high risk of attack. Francois Saglier, director of bus service at the RATP, said the attacks happened "without prior warning and not necessarily in neighborhoods considered difficult."

The RATP was to meet later Thursday with unions to determine which routes would be changed or limited in response to the unrest. Unions demanded that the RATP allow drivers to exercise their right to stop work in case of imminent danger.

"We will take measures that become necessary to avoid sensitive neighborhoods," Saglier told reporters. The drivers feel "worry but at the same time a great sense of responsibility," he said.

The transit authority in the Essonne region south of Paris on Wednesday suspended nighttime bus service for security reasons following "multiple incidents," including a tear gas bomb.

France's inability to better integrate minorities and recent violence against police are becoming major political issues as the campaign heats up for next year's presidential and parliamentary elections.

Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, who is considering whether to run for president, said that attacks demonstrate "a desire to kill."

"Some individuals are looking for provocations, and sometimes go further," she said on i-Tele television. She acknowledged people facing unemployment and living in overcrowded housing projects "have trouble finding their place" in society.

The three weeks of riots were sparked by the deaths on Oct. 27, 2005, of two young boys of African descent who were electrocuted in a power substation in Clichy-sous-Bois, northeast of Paris, while hiding from police.
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE(Lord_Proprietor @ Oct 26 2006, 07:21 PM) [snapback]254449[/snapback]

Youths Torch Buses Around Paris

Oct 26 9:53 AM US/Eastern

By CECILE BRISSON
Associated Press Writer

PARIS

Youths forced passengers off three buses and set them on fire overnight in suburban Paris, raising tensions Thursday ahead of the first anniversary of the riots that engulfed France's rundown, heavily immigrant neighborhoods.
No injuries were reported, but worried bus drivers refused to enter some suburbs after dark, and the prime minister urged a swift, stern response.
The riots in October 2005 raged through housing projects in suburbs nationwide, springing in part from anger over entrenched discrimination against immigrants and their French-born children, many of them Muslims from former French colonies in Africa. Despite an influx of funds and promises, disenchantment still thrives in those communities.

About 10 attackers _ five of them with handguns _ stormed a bus in Montreuil east of Paris early Thursday and forced the passengers off, the RATP transport authority said. They then drove off and set the bus on fire.

Late Wednesday, three attackers forced passengers off another bus in Athis-Mons, south of Paris, and tossed a Molotov cocktail inside, police officials said. The driver managed to put out the fire. Elsewhere, between six and 10 youths herded passengers off a bus in the western suburb of Nanterre late Wednesday and set it alight.

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin said the events "should lead to an immediate response."

"We cannot accept the unacceptable," he told reporters in the northern suburb of Cergy-Pontoise. "There will be arrests. ... That is our responsibility."

Villepin also said efforts should be directed to "revitalize" troubled neighborhoods, and repeated the government's insistence that authorities rid France of "lawless zones" where youth gangs operate.

The overnight attacks and recent ambushes on police have raised concern about the changing character of suburban violence, which is seemingly more premeditated than last year's spontaneous outcry and no longer restricted to the housing projects. The use of handguns was unusual _ last year's rioters were armed primarily with crowbars, stones, sticks or gasoline bombs.

Regional authorities said the Nanterre bus line, which passes near Paris' financial district, had not been considered at a high risk of attack. Francois Saglier, director of bus service at the RATP, said the attacks happened "without prior warning and not necessarily in neighborhoods considered difficult."

The RATP was to meet later Thursday with unions to determine which routes would be changed or limited in response to the unrest. Unions demanded that the RATP allow drivers to exercise their right to stop work in case of imminent danger.

"We will take measures that become necessary to avoid sensitive neighborhoods," Saglier told reporters. The drivers feel "worry but at the same time a great sense of responsibility," he said.

The transit authority in the Essonne region south of Paris on Wednesday suspended nighttime bus service for security reasons following "multiple incidents," including a tear gas bomb.

France's inability to better integrate minorities and recent violence against police are becoming major political issues as the campaign heats up for next year's presidential and parliamentary elections.

Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, who is considering whether to run for president, said that attacks demonstrate "a desire to kill."

"Some individuals are looking for provocations, and sometimes go further," she said on i-Tele television. She acknowledged people facing unemployment and living in overcrowded housing projects "have trouble finding their place" in society.

The three weeks of riots were sparked by the deaths on Oct. 27, 2005, of two young boys of African descent who were electrocuted in a power substation in Clichy-sous-Bois, northeast of Paris, while hiding from police.



LP - It seems that democracy hasn't been the solution for these immigrant Muslims. What makes you think it would change things for the better in Iraq?
beasty
It isn't perfect, just better than what they had. Burning busses under Saddam would probably rate prison and torture.
patheticJT
CNN, Stenographer to Terror

by L. Brent Bozell III
October 25, 2006




Our news media have long lectured us that their role is not to be “stenographers to power.” Theirs is the pursuit of truth, we are told. But when it comes to networks like CNN, those ethical rules are crumpled and tossed into the nearest trash bin.


Editorial writers at the Washington Post and elsewhere have raged against the Pentagon placing positive stories in Iraqi newspapers, thus violating the journalistic sacristy of objectivity. But they have no rage at all for CNN placing glorifying publicity from terrorists on a global television network.


On the October 18 edition of “Anderson Cooper 360,” CNN aired a story by reporter Michael Ware, an Australian correspondent renowned for his contacts with terrorist groups. The story showed video filmed by terrorists calling themselves the Islamic Army of Iraq. From the very start, the viewer sees this for what it is: enemy propaganda. The grainy video shows Islamic terrorist snipers time and again shooting and presumably killing American boys.


(CNN, bless its heart, cut the footage just before each bullet found its mark, but not before the sound of the rifle fire that launched it.)


Here’s what CNN also aired, without editorial comment of any sort, as “news”: The translator has the terrorists saying they should wait to shoot the American soldier, since there are innocent “people” around. Later in the report, the shooter claims to be trying to target an American soldier, not Iraqis. Since when have these insurgent murderers cared about killing Iraqi soldiers or civilians? They’ve massacred thousands with remorseless regularity.


The video is sickening. Imagine being the mother or father, sister, brother, wife or child of that American soldier murdered so brutally.


So why did CNN air something that cannot be defended as newsworthy? That video was given to CNN by terrorists in order to demoralize the American people about the hopelessness of Iraq just before midterm elections. And CNN did exactly what the terrorists wanted, and CNN knows it. In his introduction that night, Anderson Cooper said, “insurgents” – never terrorists, mind you, always “insurgents” – were “delivering a deadly message, aiming for a global audience.” CNN is the terrorist’s messenger service, FedEx for the fanatics who want us dead.


It’s part of a long and increasingly shameful history. CNN first came to prominence as a tyrant’s bootlicker in the first Gulf War in 1991, when the network agreed to allow Saddam Hussein to edit its reports in return for preferential access in Baghdad. Once entrenched, the perpetually embarrassing Peter Arnett reported on the Allied bombing of baby-milk factories – that weren’t baby-milk factories. CNN didn’t fire Arnett. They retained him even after his atrocious 1998 CNN-Time documentary asserting that Americans gassed their own soldiers in Laos, another story that fell apart under scrutiny. Sense a trend? CNN seems eager to pounce on stories that make Americans look evil and/or lethally incompetent. Whether they are true is irrelevant.


The story of evil in a foreign land was easily crumpled by CNN in a slavish desire for access. In April 2003, days after Saddam Hussein fell, CNN chief news executive Eason Jordan wrote an op-ed in the New York Times admitting he had scrapped stories from Iraq out of fear of violence from Saddam’s regime. He struggled to keep CNN’s Baghdad bureau open, but couldn’t seem to report vital news, even news that his own producers were subjected to electroshock torture. His career at CNN didn’t end until he recklessly claimed American soldiers were targeting reporters for assassination in Iraq.


This isn’t even the first occasion of CNN being used as a terrorist sock puppet this year. In July, CNN’s Nic Robertson traveled into a heavily damaged Beirut, Lebanon neighborhood to decry Israel for bombing civilian areas. It also transpired that all along, he was being escorted by and taking instructions from the terrorist organization Hezbollah. The Hezbollah “press officer” even instructed the CNN camera: “Just look. Shoot. Look at this building. Is it a military base? Is it a military base, or just civilians living in this building?” Robertson later claimed Hezbollah had “very, very sophisticated” press operations and the terrorist group “had control of the situation.” Hezbollah had control of CNN.


It’s also not the first terrorist video distributed by Michael Ware. In 2004, when Ware was a Time reporter, he was handed an insurgent videotape of the killing of American contractors in Fallujah. Ware confessed, like Robertson, to losing control of the situation with terrorists: “I certainly go out there and expose myself. I've been to the safe houses. I surrender myself to their control. I've sat in living rooms face-to-face with these men," he said.


He surrenders himself to terrorist control. This from the man who works for CNN – the network whose role is not to be a “stenographer to power.”

Nomarchy
QUOTE
Those who are seriously interested in understanding the world will adopt the same standards whether they are evaluating their own political and intellectual elites or those of official enemies.

One might fairly ask how much would survive this elementary exercise of rationality and honesty.
Lord_Proprietor
Drudge


Ongoing 'intifada' in France has injured 2,500 police in 2006


Special to World Tribune.com

GEOSTRATEGY-DIRECT.COM

Friday, October 27, 2006


This might have dropped below the radar, but Al Qaida and its allies are literally battling the Crusaders every day in Europe. And so far, Europe isn't doing so well.

"We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by radical Islamists," said Michel Thoomis, secretary general of the Action Police trade union. "This is not a question of urban violence any more. It is an intifada, with stones and firebombs."

The French Interior Ministry has acknowledged the Muslim uprising. The ministry said more than 2,500 police officers have been injured in 2006. This amounts to at least 14 officers each day.

The battles have been under-reported but alarming to French authorities. Muslim street commanders, who run lucrative drug networks, have organized youngsters in housing projects to ambush police and confront security forces. The response time allows hundreds of Muslims to storm police cars and patrols within minutes.


"You no longer see two or three youths confronting police," Thoomis said. "You see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their comrades free when they are arrested."


France's huge Muslim minority community has come under the influence of agents often influenced and financed by Al Qaida. These agents have recruited Muslim youngsters for urban warfare in which police and government representatives are injured daily.

Not surprisingly, Muslim neighborhoods are becoming autonomous zones, with police and government workers too scared to enter. The police union is demanding the Interior Ministry supply officers with armored cars.

European law enforcement sources say France could be a model for other countries. The most worried are Britain and the Netherlands.


QUOTE(patheticJT @ Oct 26 2006, 09:26 PM) [snapback]254464[/snapback]

CNN, Stenographer to Terror

by L. Brent Bozell III
October 25, 2006
Our news media have long lectured us that their role is not to be “stenographers to power.” Theirs is the pursuit of truth, we are told. But when it comes to networks like CNN, those ethical rules are crumpled and tossed into the nearest trash bin.
Editorial writers at the Washington Post and elsewhere have raged against the Pentagon placing positive stories in Iraqi newspapers, thus violating the journalistic sacristy of objectivity. But they have no rage at all for CNN placing glorifying publicity from terrorists on a global television network.
On the October 18 edition of “Anderson Cooper 360,” CNN aired a story by reporter Michael Ware, an Australian correspondent renowned for his contacts with terrorist groups. The story showed video filmed by terrorists calling themselves the Islamic Army of Iraq. From the very start, the viewer sees this for what it is: enemy propaganda. The grainy video shows Islamic terrorist snipers time and again shooting and presumably killing American boys.
(CNN, bless its heart, cut the footage just before each bullet found its mark, but not before the sound of the rifle fire that launched it.)
Here’s what CNN also aired, without editorial comment of any sort, as “news”: The translator has the terrorists saying they should wait to shoot the American soldier, since there are innocent “people” around. Later in the report, the shooter claims to be trying to target an American soldier, not Iraqis. Since when have these insurgent murderers cared about killing Iraqi soldiers or civilians? They’ve massacred thousands with remorseless regularity.
The video is sickening. Imagine being the mother or father, sister, brother, wife or child of that American soldier murdered so brutally.
So why did CNN air something that cannot be defended as newsworthy? That video was given to CNN by terrorists in order to demoralize the American people about the hopelessness of Iraq just before midterm elections. And CNN did exactly what the terrorists wanted, and CNN knows it. In his introduction that night, Anderson Cooper said, “insurgents” – never terrorists, mind you, always “insurgents” – were “delivering a deadly message, aiming for a global audience.” CNN is the terrorist’s messenger service, FedEx for the fanatics who want us dead.
It’s part of a long and increasingly shameful history. CNN first came to prominence as a tyrant’s bootlicker in the first Gulf War in 1991, when the network agreed to allow Saddam Hussein to edit its reports in return for preferential access in Baghdad. Once entrenched, the perpetually embarrassing Peter Arnett reported on the Allied bombing of baby-milk factories – that weren’t baby-milk factories. CNN didn’t fire Arnett. They retained him even after his atrocious 1998 CNN-Time documentary asserting that Americans gassed their own soldiers in Laos, another story that fell apart under scrutiny. Sense a trend? CNN seems eager to pounce on stories that make Americans look evil and/or lethally incompetent. Whether they are true is irrelevant.
The story of evil in a foreign land was easily crumpled by CNN in a slavish desire for access. In April 2003, days after Saddam Hussein fell, CNN chief news executive Eason Jordan wrote an op-ed in the New York Times admitting he had scrapped stories from Iraq out of fear of violence from Saddam’s regime. He struggled to keep CNN’s Baghdad bureau open, but couldn’t seem to report vital news, even news that his own producers were subjected to electroshock torture. His career at CNN didn’t end until he recklessly claimed American soldiers were targeting reporters for assassination in Iraq.
This isn’t even the first occasion of CNN being used as a terrorist sock puppet this year. In July, CNN’s Nic Robertson traveled into a heavily damaged Beirut, Lebanon neighborhood to decry Israel for bombing civilian areas. It also transpired that all along, he was being escorted by and taking instructions from the terrorist organization Hezbollah. The Hezbollah “press officer” even instructed the CNN camera: “Just look. Shoot. Look at this building. Is it a military base? Is it a military base, or just civilians living in this building?” Robertson later claimed Hezbollah had “very, very sophisticated” press operations and the terrorist group “had control of the situation.” Hezbollah had control of CNN.
It’s also not the first terrorist video distributed by Michael Ware. In 2004, when Ware was a Time reporter, he was handed an insurgent videotape of the killing of American contractors in Fallujah. Ware confessed, like Robertson, to losing control of the situation with terrorists: “I certainly go out there and expose myself. I've been to the safe houses. I surrender myself to their control. I've sat in living rooms face-to-face with these men," he said.
He surrenders himself to terrorist control. This from the man who works for CNN – the network whose role is not to be a “stenographer to power.”




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LYNN CHENEY IN CNN SITDOWN, SLAPDOWN: DO YOU WANT AMERICA TO WIN?

Fri Oct 27 2006 18:29:49 ET

Lynne Cheney, wife of Vice President Dick Cheney, took on CNN Friday evening during an interview with anchorman Wolf Blitzer.

Transcript:

CHENEY: You made a point last night of a man who had a bookstore in London where radical islamists gathered. Who was in Afghanistan when the Taliban were there. Who went to Pakistan. You know, I think that you might be a little careful before you declare this as a person with clean hands.

WOLF: You are receiving to the CNN "Broken Government" special. This is the one John King reported on last night.

CHENEY: Right there, Wolf. 'Broken Government.' What kind of stance is that? Here we are. We are a country where we have been mightily challenged over the past six years. We've been through 9/11, we've been through Katrina. The president and the vice president inherited a recession. We are in a country where the economy is healthy. That's not broken. This government has acted very well. We have tax cuts responsible for the healthy economy. We are a country that was attacked five years ago. We haven't been attacked since. What this government has done is effective. That's not broken government. So, you know, I shouldn't let media bias surprise me, but I worked at CNN once. I watched a program last night.

WOLF: You worked on CROSSFIRE.

CHENEY: ...And i was troubled.

WOLF: All right. Well that was probably the purpose, to get people to think. To get people to discuss these issues. Because --

CHENEY: Well, all right. Wolf, I'm here to talk about my book. But if you want to talk about distortion --

WOLF: We'll talk about your book.

CHENEY: Right, but what is CNN doing? Running terrorist tape of terrorists shooting Americans. I mean, I thought [Rep.] Duncan Hunter asked you a very good question, and you didn't answer it. Do you want us to win?

WOLF: The answer of course is we want the United States to win. We are Americans. There's no doubt about that.

CHENEY: Then why are you running terrorist propaganda?

WOLF: Well all do respect, this is not terrorist propaganda.

CHENEY: Oh, wolf.

WOLF: This is reporting the news. Which is what we do, we are not partisan.

CHENEY: Where did you get the film?

WOLF: We got the film, look, this is an issue that has been widely discussed. This is an issue we reported on extensively. We make no apologies for showing that. That was a very carefully-considered decision why we did that. And I think, I think --

CHENEY: Well I think it's shocking.

WOLF: If you are a serious journalist, you want to report the news. Sometimes the news is good, sometimes the news isn't so good.

CHENEY: But wolf, there's a difference between news and terrorist propaganda.



Cheney also took on Virginia senate challenger Jim Webb.

JIM WEBB: There's nothing that's been in in of my novels that in my view, hasn't been either illuminating surroundings are defining a character or moving a plot. I'm a serious writer. I mean, we can go and read Lynne Cheney's lesbian love scenes if you want to get graphic on stuff.

CHENEY: Jim Webb is full of baloney. I have never written anything sexually explicit. His novels are full of, um, sexual explicit reference to sex. Sexually explicit references to, well, I don't want my grandchildren to turn on the television set. This morning Imus was reading from the novels. And it's triple X-rated.

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