I understand where all you gallent men (on this board) are coming from and I truly commend you for that. But as my old high school commerce teacher told us repeatedly "you better be prepared to take care of you and yours". Best advise I ever received.

All men are not created equal. My (second) husband treats me better than I probably deserve to be. But there are some real (bleeped word) out there. Women should be warned to stay far, far away from those. Those are the ones who would rather not support themselves - much less anyone else.

Nomarchy, you really need to come out to the real world someday. There are both men and women whose actions would shock your shoes off. My daughter and I often have these deep discussions and she asserted this week, while we were discussing a case where a young mother is getting her child taken away from her, that some fathers are more capable of raising a child than a mother. I went ballistic. Apparently motherhood has lost it's mission because in my younger days women had BIG families and sacrified all to make sure they were well cared for.

I am truly saddened that a mother could lose her child, especially after I was bragging that men could not avoid paying child support with the DNA technology. It seems now the men are saying "if I have to support them I will but I get custody to do it". So I concluded long ago that women should learn to be self sufficient. I think it has a tendancy to make them 'hard' but that's better than 'hungry'.

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IS THERE A TRIAL LAWYER IN THE HOUSE?
September 19, 2007



The only "crisis" in health care in this country is that doctors are paid too little. (Also they've come up with nothing to help that poor Dennis Kucinich.)

But the Democratic Party treats doctors like they're Klan members. They wail about how much doctors are paid and celebrate the trial lawyers who do absolutely nothing to make society better, but swoop in and steal from the most valuable members of society.

Maybe doctors could get the Democrats to like them if they started suing their patients.

It's only a matter of time before the best and brightest students forget about medical school and go to law school instead. How long can a society based on suing the productive last?

You can make 30 times as much money as doctors by becoming a trial lawyer suing doctors. You need no skills, no superior board scores, no decade of training and no sleepless residency. But you must have the morals of a drug dealer. (And the bank wire transfer number to the Democratic National Committee.)

The editors of The New York Times have been engaging in a spirited debate with their readers over whether doctors are wildly overpaid or just hugely overpaid. The results of this debate are available on TimeSelect, for just $49.95.

"Many health care economists," the Times editorialized, say the partisan wrangling over health care masks a bigger problem: "the relatively high salaries paid to American doctors."

Citing the Rand Corp., the Times noted that doctors in the U.S. "earn two to three times as much as they do in other industrialized countries." American doctors earn about $200,000 to $300,000 a year, while European doctors make $60,000 to $120,000. Why, that's barely enough for Muslim doctors in Britain to buy plastic explosives to blow up airplanes!

How much does Pinch Sulzberger make for driving The New York Times stock to an all-time low? Probably a lot more than your podiatrist.

In college, my roommate was in the chemistry lab Friday and Saturday nights while I was dancing on tables at the Chapter House. A few years later, she was working 20-hour days as a resident at Mount Sinai doing liver transplants while I was frequenting popular Upper East Side drinking establishments. She was going to Johns Hopkins for yet more medical training while I was skiing and following the Grateful Dead. Now she vacations in places like Rwanda and Darfur with Doctors Without Borders while I'm going to Paris.

(Has anyone else noticed the nonexistence of a charitable organization known as "Lawyers Without Borders"?)

She makes $380 for an emergency appendectomy, or one-ten-thousandth of what John Edwards made suing doctors like her, and one-fourth of what John Edwards' hairdresser makes for a single shag cut.

Edwards made $30 million bringing nonsense lawsuits based on junk science against doctors. To defend themselves from parasites like Edwards, doctors now pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical malpractice insurance every year.

But as the Times would note, doctors in Burkina Faso only get $25 and one goat per year.

As long as we're studying the health care systems of various socialist countries, are we allowed to notice that doctors in these other countries aren't constantly being sued by bottom-feeding trial lawyers stealing one-third of the income of people performing useful work like saving lives?

But the Democrats (and Fred Thompson) refuse to enact tort reform legislation to rein in these charlatans. After teachers and welfare recipients, the Democrats' most prized constituency is trial lawyers. The ultimate Democrat constituent would be a public schoolteacher on welfare who needed an abortion and was suing her doctor.

Doctors graduate at the top of their classes at college and then spend nearly a decade in grueling work at medical schools. Most doctors don't make a dime until they're in their early 30s, just in time to start paying off their six-figure student loans by saving people's lives. They have 10 times the IQ of trial lawyers and 1,000 times the character.

Yeah, let's go after those guys. On to nuns next!

But Times' readers responded to the editorial about doctors being overpaid with a slew of indignant letters -- not at the Times for making such an idiotic argument, but at doctors who earn an average of $200,000 per year. Letter writers praised the free medical care in places like Spain. ("Nightmare" in the Ann Coulter dictionary is defined as "having a medical emergency in Spain.")

One letter-writer proposed helping doctors by having the government take over another aspect of the economy -- the cost of medical education:

"If we are to restructure the system by which we pay doctors to match Europe, which seems prudent as well as inevitable, we must also finance education as Europeans do, by using state dollars to finance the full or majority cost of higher education, including professional school."

And then to reduce the cost of medical school, the government could finance "the full or majority cost" of construction costs of medical schools, and "the full or majority cost" of the trucks that bring the cement to the construction site and the "the full or majority cost" of coffee that the truck drivers drink while hauling the cement and ... it makes my head hurt.

I may have to see a doctor about this. I should probably get on the waiting list now in case Hillary gets elected.

That's how liberals think: To fix an industry bedeviled by government controls, we'll spread the coercion to yet more industries!

The only sane letter on the matter, I'm happy to report, came from the charming town of New Canaan, Conn., which means that I am not the only normal person who still reads the Times. Ray Groves wrote:

"Last week, I had the annual checkup for my 2000 Taurus. I paid $95 per hour for much needed body work. Next month, when I have my own annual physical, I expect and hope to pay a much higher rate to my primary care internist, who has spent a significant portion of his life training to achieve his position of responsibility."

There is nothing more to say.

I think Ann Coulter is loonier than me. I have a bad habit of shooting from the hip but at least I don't claim a national readership.

I'm at a real loss to figure her rationale ...
Doctors graduate at the top of their classes at college and then spend nearly a decade in grueling work at medical schools. Most doctors don't make a dime until they're in their early 30s, just in time to start paying off their six-figure student loans by saving people's lives. They have 10 times the IQ of trial lawyers and 1,000 times the character.
She has a most skewed point of view. Some good trial lawyer should sue her pants off. I wonder if she thinks that trial lawyers education is handed to them on some silver platter? I would bet, dollar for dollar, the cost of a doctors education and a trial lawyers are most similiar.

Don't misunderstand me. I stand in awe of doctors and their ability to heal. I think the government should definitely help fund their education - and I certainly think they deserve any dollars they earn. But to pit one profession against the other..... Trial lawyers do what they are trained to do. Does she not put any responsibility on the judges and juries?

If we had 70% of the world's doctors instead of lawyers we'd all be better off. Like toilet cleaners lawyers are a part of life, but like toilet cleaners they don't do anything most people can't do for themselves.

I think lawyers get a bad rap. There are really few things people couldn't do for themselves if they were industrious enough to do them.

I suspect that juries (consiously or unconsiously) resent the obscene profits of big business and award outrageous settlements. And judges don't have to grant them. So to blame lawyers is a bit lop sided imho.

Well, anyway - here's at least one vote for the lawyer. May she live by that rule.... "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." Particularily Ann Counter's.

My problem is lawyers have gone out of their way to make a system where they're needed more than they ought to be. They get to write their own job protection rules and there's no limit on what they can charge, but they want to control what everyone else makes.

Let's socialize legal care first. If it works out we can try it on medicine.

Bay must be a John Edwards fan.

Shouldn't we really blame government and the bureaucracies and the courts for creating situations that must be handled by lawyers? I do believe we should encourage courts to allow and make it pretty easy for people to represent themselves in court. However I have never paid a lawyer that I didn't feel I got my money's worth.

Re: socialized medicine. MY POSITION.....
There are people in this courtry whose forefathers fought our wars, our droughts and floods, who worked several jobs to afford education, who built our roads....! My Dad and the men of our rural community took teams of horses and wagons and hauled and spread gravel on the dirt roads we had to travel just to get to town to get groceries. If I remember the county just delivered a big pile of gravel at a central location and they had to put it down. I've seen him come home so tired at night after a day in the fields that he could hardly make it to bed.

IF circumstances had been just a bit different when I had cancer and my plant closed I could have lost my home that I had bought and paid for decades earlier. YET people who have nothing - won't work - illegal immigrants - have access to whatever healthcare they require free of charge. THAT STINKS.

You guys can defend that 'til HELL freezes over and I'll die saying you're WRONG - WRONG - WRONG.

If our Federal Government can't provide a system where people don't have to lose everything they own to pay medical bills then cut it off for everybody. If the working poor can't access whatever health care they need then the lazy poor and any other category that the shoe fits shouldn't have it either.

A chicken or egg moment, and leads back to my point. Lawyers create those things in a manner that leaves them as the gate keepers. A judge is a lawyer (usually) and even gets to tell you if you can represent yourself in court.

Not so long ago most congress people was lawyers too.

Hello?

Ever hear of a public defender?

Ann Coulter is an idiot. Doctors in this country are overpaid, and talk about control freaks, you might want to ask an RN about what doctors actually do.

Big Time!

Thommie Friedman from the Democrats' paper of record, The New York Times, has even criticized the 'merican 'lectorate for hiring lawyers to represent them in Congress to tackle problems in the U.S. that don't require lawyerin' and a judgin' skills.

I wonder if the Friedster gets an employee discount on full page advertisements?

In any case, this doctor/lawyer thingie is going nowhere.

The whacked-out, left-wing nuts will ignore the fact that lawyers take advantage of situations because they write the laws and defend them to the end because they butter their bread.

The main argument against the doctors and for the lawyers will be, "Ann Coulter is an idiot" or some poopy like that and dismiss the whole point.

The founders had quite a few lawyers among them.

The whacked out right will ignore the fact that Coulter is a brainless shill that "danced on a few too many tables " in her otherwise unremarkable youth, and is trying to demonize John Edwards because she's scared of decent, competent people. That article contains no substance whatsoever, and calls American doctors underpaid? Codswallop. They're paid better then any doctors in the world, and we don't exactly get better care because of it. It was a demonstrably false statement, one of many she makes which is the hallmark of her stupidity. If you can't see that she is an idiot, that's your handicap.

It's a pity you zealots can't spend as much time criticizing Edwards healthcare plans or foriegn policy as you do his hair, but I have decided that policy is over your head. Hair gels and styles are about as much as you are capable of understandng

No wonder you like Coulter. The brainless leading the braindead.

I'll be sure to ask your advice on hair gel, but I'll stick with people tht can actually think about real issues when I want advice on who to vote for for president.



Actually, that wasn't the "point" of the piece at all. If you relly believe that it was, it's due to your own obvious deep-seated fears of the law and it's protectors. It was a transparent and poorly written hit-piece on the democrats ,as is everything that brainless shill writes. No substance, just knee-jerk reactionary RW talking points.

Tht is to say, verbal diarrhaea. In that you have a lot in common with Coulter.

Yeah, I've watched them work. They see about ten defendants at a time at the lower level, and most just take the best plea deal because the defender isn't going to do any more for them. At the higher level the defender might do a little, but they sure as hell aren't going to give you Johnnie Chochran effort.



If you've read anything I've written you ought to know I'm no huge fan of doctors and all for letting nurses do more and get paid better, BUT for what we expect doctors are NO WAY paid too much when it comes to comparative education and responsibility to lawyers.

There are elements of "legal care" as you put it that are as inelastic as many elements of health care. Still, there are many more elements of health care that are impervious to income and choices than there are elements of "legal care".

Yet nary of 'em was an ambulance chaser.

There aren't any ambulance chasers today.

Yet nary of 'em are "ambulance chasers" today.

Actually I am. However my respect and admiration for lawyers, their intellect, dedication and honor is generated much closer to home.

But let me hasten to say, I feel the same thing for those in the medical profession.

Ye Gods!

There you are. I was starting to worry about you. How's the eyes?

ps: that is about as crazy a statement as big has ever posted.

Background
Ann Coulter was born to John Vincent and Nell Husbands Martin Coulter. After her birth in New York City, the family moved to New Canaan, Connecticut, where Coulter and her two older brothers were raised. She has described her family as "upper middle class" and has termed her attorney father a "union buster".[6][7]

As an undergraduate at Cornell, Coulter helped found The Cornell Review,[8] and was a member of the Delta Gamma national women's fraternity.[9] She graduated Cu m laude from Cornell in 1984, and received her law degree from the University of Michigan Law School, where she achieved membership in the Order of the Coif and was an editor of the Michigan Law Review.[10] At Michigan, Coulter founded a local chapter of the Federalist Society and was trained at the National Journalism Center.[11][12]

After law school, Coulter served as a law clerk for Pasco Bowman II of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit in Kansas City.[13] After a short time working in New York City in private practice, where she specialized in corporate law, Coulter left to work for the United States Senate Judiciary Committee after the Republicans took control of Congress in 1994. She handled crime and immigration issues for Senator Spencer Abraham of Michigan, and helped craft legislation that made it easier to deport aliens convicted of felonies.[14] She later became a litigator with the Center For Individual Rights.[15]


Order of the Coif

An unincorporated national scholastic honor society in law. Its purpose is to foster excellence in legal scholarship and to recognize those who have attained high grades in law school or who have distinguished themselves in the teaching of law.

She's a lawyer.

Somebody, help! I've been out several days - in the hospital - and when did the format change? I almost didn't get signed/logged in today. When did all this happen and what happened?

Glad to see you back.

The host upgraded to a newer version of the software a few days ago. All of the old features still work, with a few new choices added. I see you have picked up on color ans size already. Should be no problem.

The worse part is the copy/paste. I still haven't figured out how to delete ads. I have to copy/paste several times to avoid them.

I think that's the "rich text editor". I think admin gets it by default. You might be able to set for regular text editing. Control V pastes in rich text. There is a help link, but I usually just use trial and error.

In your CP go to board setting and the bottom setting is a drop down between rich text and standard editing. Might help. This is why I don't upgrade every time they come out with a new version. This is really new so there may be bugs to work out. Next update I will get right away.

Yup, the standard editor is what we are used to.

bay wrote: "...I think Ann Coulter is loonier than me. I have a bad habit of shooting from the hip but at least I don't claim a national readership. ..."

The heck you don't! Everyone here is from some other portion of the country - "we're nationwide, and we read!"

At least a few are from outside the nation. (unfortunately many are spammers)

That was an experimental post in trying to get logged in and didn't even get a message in -

Thanks - Eyes are still not real good! Hope to have the cloudy stuff removed from the new lens soon and that should help. I have to take my glasses off and on so much it gets worrisome. I'm hoping that after two or three more months some new glasses will help all reading distances as in the grocery shelves and computer - something is not just right yet.

I had some kind of problem early Monday AM about 04:00 could have been a panic-type attack and after a day and a half in the hospital, still not sure what cause it. I think it was possible a combination of some pain medications ( two kinds, including one for IBS) I'm still taking for the back pain and the steroid epidural injections; I have never had those bad feelings before and hope never again. But my primary care doc sure intended to find out if possible - I had every test possible in the hospital, I think, except the MRI, (no magnets with the pace maker you know) but all kinds of nuclear stuff ( they put lots of stuff in my blood stream over a period of 2 hrs and 40 minutes) and 3 EKGs and others I can't remember the names of. My PMaker had shown a rapid HR 178 for 13 seconde Sunday evening at 7:00, but I know where I was and what I was doing and don't remember feeling anything different. That was one reason for all the test. But the four doctors were in agreement after reviewing all the data that I was really OK. They did change some pill I was taking and also want to run a check in two weeks.

Good to be back! Is Little Bee still buzzing?

Thanks Space, I think I like it, especialy the larger working space. How does the quick access over to the left work and what do they do?

And when I go up and click the Insert special item the same group shows up? Help!

Yes, the top drop down menu and the quick access items appear to be the same. Notice that just below the posting box there is a button that lets you toggle the side panel off to give you a larger posting box. That's what I've done on mine.

As for what they do, I clicked on each to see, then went back with my browser when I was done. They just look like a different way to refer to posts or whole topics, and to center text, which I find easy enough by using the existing reply feature or center icon. Also there are some that let you define acronyms and write special codes, which I doubt that I'll have a use for, as I don't know what they do.

OMG. LP, that sounds a whole lot like what happened to me earlier this year. The tests too. Get well soon.

Dang, I went through something like that. Had to park my car and couldn't drive over any bridges or underpasses for a couple days. Allergy meds had something to do with it, but it was just the trigger. Different people have different triggers and problems. Good luck!

The trigger for me was Nyquil. I had no idea it contained a stimulant. Always made me sleep.

I've never used it. I wouldn't have thought of a stimulant. Decongestant related?

Overall cold medicine apparently with a major decongestant. I'd had it before but not for years. I don't usually take meds like that. But it was a particularly nasty cold and I needed a little extra.


Just not that extra.

I've been know to measure my liquid meds by the gulp. Not recommended.

I'm glad that's all it turned out to be for you.

Stimulates panic and anxiety. Still, not being able to breath can cause panic too.

So .... -- is all that supposed to justify her statement....."Doctors graduate at the top of their classes at college and then spend nearly a decade in grueling work at medical schools. Most doctors don't make a dime until they're in their early 30s, just in time to start paying off their six-figure student loans by saving people's lives. They have 10 times the IQ of trial lawyers and 1,000 times the character".

I find it very insulting that she could even consider anyone - even Mother Theresa - having 1,000 times the character of very responsible, intelligent, moral, honorable, hard working, people who happen to be trial lawyers.

Just exactly where was she going with that tirade?? Perhaps she was involved with a trial Lawyer who dumped her, or has her eye on a Doctor who she wants to impress.

I feel a little bit like a little girl who is singing a solo in the Christmas program and is having a blast until she realizes she has a audience and then runs away and hides. As much as I love exchanging posts with you, I really wish you hadn't reminded me of that.

Note to bay.... 'silence is golden' or 'will you hush' .

Lordy, lordy. As that old saying goes.... "well shut my mouth".

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.........................SO...........?????

It's called rip on John Edwards, you know, the guy she said she couldn't call a faggot?

Couter is the top journalist in the world today.

The other top journalist can only hope to achieve what she has achieved.

Among them: