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Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Jan 8 2008, 03:11 PM) *
And there will be a news story when they don't take a child who is being abused and injured.


Then it's the governor's fault. It's a no-win. Bad things happen, at least that guy's kid was unharmed. Some kids disappear forever and nobody finds out for months or years.
Bart Katz
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Jan 8 2008, 05:11 PM) *
And there will be a news story when they don't take a child who is being abused and injured.


They gotta learn to exercise judgement. Looks like this case went to the other extreme.
Arturo_Vandelay
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Jan 8 2008, 07:24 PM) *
They gotta learn to exercise judgement. Looks like this case went to the other extreme.


Yep. With so many cases even the best of judgment ends up being wrong sometimes. If somebody dies there's no going back.
Lord_Proprietor
I hope you are listening to the mealy mouth democrat on WJ this AM trying to justify not having a photo ID in order to vote. He thinks it's too expensive to get a Birth Certificate in order to secure a drivers license or official ID Card. He said that money would go for food, Yea, Uh huh! mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif
Bee
Welcome to Nazi Amerika.

If you are poor you vil not Vote! Nien! Nyet! foggetabboutit!
Davis 2.0
Hey LP, some people are choosing between heating bills and meds. Do you honestly think those people can afford a god damned ID? You may be driving a frigging Cadillac and checking on your rental properties but some people aren't doing as well as you. Some people are on the edge. Some people don't even have $10 in their pocket. You know this ID scam is to benefit republicans. It's more cheating. A poll tax. It's as transparent as hell.
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE (Bee @ Jan 10 2008, 07:56 AM) *
Welcome to Nazi Amerika.

If you are poor you vil not Vote! Nien! Nyet! foggetabboutit!



Only American Citizens are supposed to vote. If someone is not astute enough to be able to afford an ID Card, I certainly hope they don't find their way to the polls. A little resourcefulness will get them a card. I'll bet they don't have a problem when it's getting the papers together to get food stamps or free lunch. It is quite evident this is about getting illegal votes for the dems. It's a legal item not a social item!
Davis 2.0
No it isn't. Show me one case of fraud. YOU CAN'T. You people just want to eliminate poor and minority voters. That's it. You know it, I know it. Stop bullshitting everyone.
Davis 2.0
The fact you rightwingers don't give a rat's ass about the security of electronic voting machines shows you don't care about that sheit. You just want to tilt the election your way using any and all methods available. Then you act like that's ok. It's not. It's subverting the election system and runs counter to everything this country stands for.
Lord_Proprietor
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Hillary without tears


Why it's time to close the book on the Clintons -- and herald the Obamas! Plus: Iran war hawks, Russian drag queens and the genius of Zeppelin.


By Camille Paglia <------Article here
Jan. 10, 2008 |

Subject: Hillary and sado-masochism

As her husband has dragged his numerous female play objects before her and has humiliated her on the public stage year after year, she still stays within the marriage.

Hillary seems to take every beating, and yet she appears to "keep on ticking." Does she thrive on this?

How would this affect one's (female) psyche? Judgment as President? General perspective?
Robert Philips
Corrales, New Mexico


A swarm of biographers in miners' gear has tried to plumb the inky depths of Hillary Rodham Clinton's warren-riddled psyche. My metaphor is drawn (as Oscar Wilde's prim Miss Prism would say) from the Scranton coalfields, to which came the Welsh family that produced Hillary's harsh, domineering father.

Hillary's feckless, loutish brothers (who are kept at arm's length by her operation) took the brunt of Hugh Rodham's abuse in their genteel but claustrophobic home. Hillary is the barracuda who fought for dominance at their expense. Flashes of that ruthless old family drama have come out repeatedly in this campaign, as when Hillary could barely conceal her sneers at her fellow debaters onstage -- the wimpy, cringing brothers at the dinner table.

Hillary's willingness to tolerate Bill's compulsive philandering is a function of her general contempt for men. She distrusts them and feels morally superior to them. Following the pattern of her long-suffering mother, she thinks it is her mission to endure every insult and personal degradation for a higher cause -- which, unlike her self-sacrificing mother, she identifies with her near-messianic personal ambition.

It's no coincidence that Hillary's staff has always consisted mostly of adoring women, with nerdy or geeky guys forming an adjunct brain trust. Hillary's rumored hostility to uniformed military men and some Secret Service agents early in the first Clinton presidency probably belongs to this pattern. And let's not forget Hillary, the governor's wife, pulling out a book and rudely reading in the bleachers during University of Arkansas football games back in Little Rock.

Hillary's disdain for masculinity fits right into the classic feminazi package, which is why Hillary acts on Gloria Steinem like catnip. Steinem's fawning, gaseous New York Times op-ed about her pal Hillary this week speaks volumes about the snobby clubbiness and reactionary sentimentality of the fossilized feminist establishment, which has blessedly fallen off the cultural map in the 21st century. History will judge Steinem and company very severely for their ethically obtuse indifference to the stream of working-class women and female subordinates whom Bill Clinton sexually harassed and abused, enabled by look-the-other-way and trash-the-victims Hillary.

How does all this affect the prospect of a Hillary presidency? With her eyes on the White House, Hillary as senator has made concerted and generally successful efforts to improve her knowledge of and relationship to the military -- crucial for any commander-in-chief but especially for the first female one. However, I remain concerned about her future conduct of high-level diplomacy. Contemptuous condescension seems to be Hillary's default mode with any male who criticizes her or stands in her way. It's a Nixonian reflex steeped in toxic gender bias. How will that play in the Muslim world?

The Clintons live to campaign. It's what holds them together and gives them a glowing sense of meaning and value. Their actual political accomplishments are fairly slight. The obsessive need to keep campaigning may mean a president Hillary would go right on spewing the bitterly partisan rhetoric that has already paralyzed Washington. Even if Hillary could be elected (which I'm skeptical about), how in tarnation could she ever govern?

The current wave of support for Barack Obama from Democrats, independents, and even some Republicans is partly based on his vision of a new political discourse that breaks with the petty, destructive polarization of the past 20 years. Whether Obama can build up his foreign policy credentials sufficiently to reassure an anxious general electorate remains to be seen.

But Hillary herself, with her thin, spotty record, tangled psychological baggage, and maundering blowhard of a husband, is also a mighty big roll of the dice. She is a brittle, relentless manipulator with few stable core values who shuffles through useful personalities like a card shark ("Cue the tears!"). Forget all her little gold crosses: Hillary's real god is political expediency. Do Americans truly want this hard-bitten Machiavellian back in the White House? Day one will just be more of the same.

I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee of my party, because I want Democrats appointed to the Cabinet and the Supreme Court. But I plan to vote for Barack Obama in the Pennsylvania primary because he is a rational, centered personality who speaks the language of idealism and national unity. Obama has served longer as an elected official than Hillary. He has had experience as a grass-roots activist, and he is also a highly educated lawyer who will be a quick learner in office. His international parentage and childhood, as well as his knowledge of both Christianity and Islam, would make him the right leader at the right time. And his wife Michelle is a powerhouse.

The Obamas represent the future, not the past.
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Jan 10 2008, 08:53 AM) *
The fact you rightwingers don't give a rat's ass about the security of electronic voting machines shows you don't care about that sheit. You just want to tilt the election your way using any and all methods available. Then you act like that's ok. It's not. It's subverting the election system and runs counter to everything this country stands for.



No, Davis and Little Bee, ShortOnReasonOnes, we just want to have Constitutional Governance, especially at the polling precincts where our Birthright Privileges are carried out! We don't like to see "illegals or paid multi-voters" contaminating that Privileged Franchise! If you don't understand that, I'm sorry!
inyerface
laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Davis 2.0
QUOTE (Lord_Proprietor @ Jan 10 2008, 08:22 AM) *
No, Davis and Little Bee, ShortOnReasonOnes, we just want to have Constitutional Governance, especially at the polling precincts where our Birthright Privileges are carried out! We don't like to see "illegals or paid multi-voters" contaminating that Privileged Franchise! If you don't understand that, I'm sorry!




Can you refer to one case of voting fraud where a photo ID would have prevented it?

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. YOU JUST WANT TO ELIMINATE AS MANY POOR AND MINORITY VOTERS AS POSSIBLE, MR. LIAR.
I understand exactly what you want and what your people are doing.
Human Ills
QUOTE (Davis 2.0 @ Jan 10 2008, 05:13 AM) *
Hey LP, some people are choosing between heating bills and meds. Do you honestly think those people can afford a god damned ID? You may be driving a frigging Cadillac and checking on your rental properties but some people aren't doing as well as you. Some people are on the edge. Some people don't even have $10 in their pocket. You know this ID scam is to benefit republicans. It's more cheating. A poll tax. It's as transparent as hell.

They better be able to afford a "goddamned ID" and they better carry it around on them in their travels. Or they will be cited. Stop being such an ass. Save up. Collect aluminum cans. Hold up a sign outside the local DMV "will work for ID". Get over it.
It's about time.
Bart Katz
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Jan 10 2008, 11:10 AM) *
They better be able to afford a "goddamned ID" and they better carry it around on them in their travels. Or they will be cited. Stop being such an ass. Save up. Collect aluminum cans. Hold up a sign outside the local DMV "will work for ID". Get over it.
It's about time.


I called the court house back home and got a marriage license and birth certificate copy for $1.27 plus a postage stamp. I didn't have to send the money till after I got the documents.
Davis 2.0
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Jan 10 2008, 10:10 AM) *
They better be able to afford a "goddamned ID" and they better carry it around on them in their travels. Or they will be cited. Stop being such an ass. Save up. Collect aluminum cans. Hold up a sign outside the local DMV "will work for ID". Get over it.
It's about time.


Forget that sheit HI. I know their motives and their agenda. You stop being an ass. I know your motivations too.
inyerface
QUOTE (Human Ills @ Jan 10 2008, 08:10 AM) *
They better be able to afford a "goddamned ID" and they better carry it around on them in their travels. Or they will be cited. Stop being such an ass. Save up. Collect aluminum cans. Hold up a sign outside the local DMV "will work for ID". Get over it.
It's about time.



I've never needed an ID to vote

name address signature
Human Ills
QUOTE (inyerface @ Jan 10 2008, 08:25 AM) *
I've never needed an ID to vote

name address signature

I know, me neither. I think it's time to change that, before somebody strolls to the polls, says they're me and then votes for Hillary.
inyerface
diebold rules

everything else is to confuse the issue
SpaceCowboy
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Jan 10 2008, 10:21 AM) *
I called the court house back home and got a marriage license and birth certificate copy for $1.27 plus a postage stamp. I didn't have to send the money till after I got the documents.

As I recall, I paid $12.50 for a copy of my birth certificate. A photo ID here costs about the same through the DMV. Some poor folks don't drive, but most do.
Davis 2.0
Most.
Russ Logan
Camille Paglia needs a geography lesson: "And let's not forget Hillary, the governor's wife, pulling out a book and rudely reading in the bleachers during University of Arkansas football games back in Little Rock. "

UA is in the NW corner of the state at Fayetteville and that's where home games are played. Not the capital Little Rock which is in the center (roughly) of the state.
Human Ills
She probably wrote "back in Little Rock" for the benefit of the reader. It refers not only to a geographical location, but an era as well.
Lord_Proprietor
QUOTE (Russ Logan @ Jan 10 2008, 12:25 PM) *
Camille Paglia needs a geography lesson: "And let's not forget Hillary, the governor's wife, pulling out a book and rudely reading in the bleachers during University of Arkansas football games back in Little Rock. "

UA is in the NW corner of the state at Fayetteville and that's where home games are played. Not the capital Little Rock which is in the center (roughly) of the state.


Could it have been a special game?

Ohio State 5.USC. On Thanksgiving Day, in Southwest Conference play,
#1 Texas won at Texas A & M, 49-12
while Arkansas beat Texas Tech 33-0 in Little Rock.
Russ Logan
Digging deeper I find that up until about 2001 3 games per season were held in Little Rock's War Memorial Stadium since its establishment in 1948. So I guess it is then possible that Ms Paglia was correct.

My bad. (Having done my HS years in Arkansas I could only remember one game played there by "the Hogs" and that was in 1966 vs North Texas State. That well preceeded the years that President Clinton was governor of Arkansas.)
Lord_Proprietor
Clinton camp hits Obama | Attacks 'painful' for black voters

The State [Columbia, SC], by WAYNE WASHINGTON


1/12/2008 12:45:18 PM

Sharp criticism of Barack Obama and other comments about Martin Luther King Jr. — all from people associated with Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign — have generated resentment among some black S.C. voters. The furor comes just two weeks before those voters will have a significant say in who wins the Jan. 26 primary here. The Clinton-Obama battle has the potential to become a wrenching divide for black voters. Historically those voters have been strong backers of Bill and Hillary Clinton.
SpaceCowboy
Is Bill Clinton "Black enough"?
Bart Katz
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Jan 12 2008, 03:01 PM) *
Is Bill Clinton "Black enough"?


He was.
BrooklynBill
QUOTE (Bart Katz @ Jan 12 2008, 09:10 PM) *
He was.


Bill Clinton was black before it was cool to be black. laugh.gif
Bart Katz
QUOTE (TruthTrekker @ Jan 12 2008, 03:17 PM) *
Bill Clinton was black before it was cool to be black. laugh.gif


Ex cool black pres. smile.gif
Arturo_Vandelay
Hillary was a bitch AFTER it was cool to be a bitch.


Bart Katz
QUOTE (Arturo_Vandelay @ Jan 12 2008, 03:57 PM) *
Hillary was a bitch AFTER it was cool to be a bitch.



underhi2p
I think it's great that The Shills is being labeled a racist because she's picking on the half white guy.

What comes 'round goes 'round, fair dinkum.

Human Ills
QUOTE (SpaceCowboy @ Jan 12 2008, 01:01 PM) *
Is Bill Clinton "Black enough"?

I don't know, I've never seen it.
Lord_Proprietor
The Pork King Keeps His Crown

New York Times, by Editorial Staff


1/14/2008 5:31:51 AM

The new earmark disclosure rules put into effect by Congress confirm the pre-eminence of Representative John Murtha at procuring eye-popping chunks of pork for contractors he helped put in business in Johnstown, Pa. The Pennsylvania Democrat, a power player on defense appropriations, exudes pride, not embarrassment, for delivering hundreds of millions of dollars in largesse to district beneficiaries. They, in turn, requite with hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign donations.
Lord_Proprietor


DON'T CRY FOR ME, ARGENTINA AMERICA...
inyerface
you and drudge should work for the enquirer
patheticJT

More Folsom Street Values from the Democrats.............

DNC sponsors event honoring sadomasochism
Jeff Johnson - OneNewsNow - 2/7/2008 10:00:00 AM

The 20th annual meeting of the nation's second most powerful homosexual activist group is welcoming some new participants -- and a very recognizable sponsor.

The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force is holding its annual "Creating Change" conference in Detroit this week. Its sponsors claim to have trained more than 30,000 activists since 1988. Peter LaBarbera with Americans for Truth About Homosexuality has reported on the event in the past. "It's essentially a grassroots training conference for homosexual, bisexual, transgender -- and now, it turns out -- sadomasochistic activists," says LaBarbera.

The event originally focused on homosexuals, but has expanded to include individuals who are convinced that they were born into the wrong sex. The event's handbook even addresses "transgender restroom etiquette."

"It says that, 'Each of us can decide for ourselves in which bathroom we belong,'" LaBarbera points out. "And, so, I mean, this movement is now getting so crazy that they can choose their own gender and then the restroom that matches that."

And LaBarbera says he is not sure if he is more surprised by one of the sponsors of the event or by one of the activists who will be honored. "It's incredible to me," he continues. "But the Democratic Party is endorsing an event where they're actually presenting an award for sadomasochism."

A sponsorship acknowledgement notes that the Democratic National Committee gave at least $2,500 to help pay for the event. The recipient of the "Leather Leadership Award" is Guy Baldwin, a psychotherapist who has successfully lobbied against treating sadomasochism as a mental health problem.
Nomarchy
You're obsessed, dude.
inyerface
he'd've made a great inquisitor
patheticJT
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Feb 9 2008, 03:28 AM) *
You're obsessed, dude.



kinda like liberals and torture, they are truly obsessed.
Repub_Bub
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Feb 8 2008, 07:28 PM) *
You're obsessed, dude.

Maybe you can recommend some support groups for those who find perversion intolerable. smile.gif
inyerface
panties_on_yer_head.com
Nomarchy
QUOTE (Repub_Bub @ Feb 9 2008, 04:38 AM) *
Maybe you can recommend some support groups for those who find perversion intolerable. smile.gif


It's called "growing up". If you have perversion "running around in your head" you'll continuously look for it IN ORDER to be righteously offended and SHOCKED, SHOCKED that it happens.
patheticJT
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Feb 9 2008, 07:06 PM) *
It's called "growing up". If you have perversion "running around in your head" you'll continuously look for it IN ORDER to be righteously offended and SHOCKED, SHOCKED that it happens.


Liberals do that all the time, you know like abu ghraib Larry craig valerie plame. they are hysterical. when will they grow up
inyerface
obey the law and shut up
Repub_Bub
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Feb 9 2008, 11:06 AM) *
It's called "growing up". If you have perversion "running around in your head" you'll continuously look for it IN ORDER to be righteously offended and SHOCKED, SHOCKED that it happens.

If you're suggesting that all perversions are only in one's head then growing up is of consequence only to onsself.
If you're suggesting that any perversion is possible then growing up is of no consequence to anyone.

Seems you either cannot identify perversion or are either unable or unwilling to impact it.
Nomarchy
QUOTE (Repub_Bub @ Feb 9 2008, 12:03 PM) *
If you're suggesting that all perversions are only in one's head then growing up is of consequence only to onsself.
If you're suggesting that any perversion is possible then growing up is of no consequence to anyone.

Seems you either cannot identify perversion or are either unable or unwilling to impact it.


In principle, 'perversion' does not inhere in the object but in the combination of the object and the conceptual (and moral) frame of reference whereby it is apprehended, described and evaluated.

The second hypothetical makes no sense whatsoever. I haven't the foggiest idea what you mean.

Perversion like deviance and crime inescapably depend on a system of thought defining the normal in order to exist.

Perversion and inversion, as deviations in aim and in object, are always and necessarily carried along, in the mind, whenever one practices or thinks in non-deviant ways.
Repub_Bub
QUOTE (Nomarchy @ Feb 9 2008, 05:56 PM) *
In principle, 'perversion' does not inhere in the object but in the combination of the object and the conceptual (and moral) frame of reference whereby it is apprehended, described and evaluated.

The second hypothetical makes no sense whatsoever. I haven't the foggiest idea what you mean.

Perversion like deviance and crime inescapably depend on a system of thought defining the normal in order to exist.

Perversion and inversion, as deviations in aim and in object, are always and necessarily carried along, in the mind, whenever one practices or things in non-deviant ways.

So, if we agree it's a combination of thought and deed then "growing up" would seem a puny cure.
Lord_Proprietor
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